Sam Warfel Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, fanaticstargazer said: another proton-peak oct 13, 23:38 utc 88,65p/cm³ 23:53 utc 92,67p/cm³ That is almost certainly a glitch. It’s too sudden and short to be real. The data has also just dropped out entirely shortly after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesterface23 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, fanaticstargazer said: another proton-peak oct 13, 23:38 utc 88,65p/cm³ 23:53 utc 92,67p/cm³ (Points at ACE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticstargazer Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 no, it's definitely not a glitch. i was allready scrolling through data for an hour to find whats goin on (before the proton-peak finally appeared on spaceweatherlive), cause my body is like an antenna, reacts to high proton with pain. i had and still have a huge pain-attack. i can tell by the amount of pain what kp we have. its btw the reason i began to explore the sun and its available data. it took years to learn and finally bein able to say: pain+proton-amount correlate (in my case). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesterface23 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 hours ago, fanaticstargazer said: no, it's definitely not a glitch. i was allready scrolling through data for an hour to find whats goin on (before the proton-peak finally appeared on spaceweatherlive), cause my body is like an antenna, reacts to high proton with pain. i had and still have a huge pain-attack. i can tell by the amount of pain what kp we have. its btw the reason i began to explore the sun and its available data. it took years to learn and finally bein able to say: pain+proton-amount correlate (in my case). It was, errored data. The ACE satellite had short periods of missing data prior, then a big gap afterwards. The DSCOVR and SOHO satellites never had spikes around that time, but every once in a while they have their own glitches. When you look at solar wind data, you are likely looking at a mix of ACE and DSCOVR data and you may not know when it switches back and forth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Warfel Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Even though the density was a glitch, it seems a CME did pass nearby last night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesterface23 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 55 minutes ago, Orneno said: it seems a CME did pass nearby last night Looks a bit closer to the entry or middle of a CIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticstargazer Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 hm. from "almost certainly a glitch" to "missing data", "gaps" and "not knowing if you see ACE or DSCOVR", you go to "SOHO+ DSCOVR had no spikes", therefore there was no spike you assume. i dare say: having gaps+missing data could also prove the hit. instruments cant handle great amounts of mixed charged particles. i would greatly appreciate scientists comments measuring protons on earth, or something like real time gle data. we have the two: https://gle.oulu.fi/#/ https://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/ neutron count can be a hint of an event. has anybody a link, how to monitor proton hit on earth? or more stations/data hinting a protonevent? so far we lack the final evidence, well, beside my pain.. the pain-proton relation is a thing i monitor since 2008. the papers done about that say there's a lot more to research on that... lets investigate a bit more? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Warfel Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, fanaticstargazer said: i dare say: having gaps+missing data could also prove the hit. instruments cant handle great amounts of mixed charged particles. This is true, but these issues with instrumentation also happen quite frequently, when nothing at all is happening. It’s a pretty common problem. 1 hour ago, fanaticstargazer said: i would greatly appreciate scientists comments measuring protons on earth, or something like real time gle data. we have the two: https://gle.oulu.fi/#/ https://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/ neutron count can be a hint of an event. has anybody a link, how to monitor proton hit on earth? or more stations/data hinting a protonevent? There have been zero solar particle events recently: 1 hour ago, fanaticstargazer said: so far we lack the final evidence, well, beside my pain.. Personal anecdotal feelings are not really reliable scientific evidence. 1 hour ago, fanaticstargazer said: lets investigate a bit more? Go ahead. Any further speculation on this topic must take place in the “unproven theories” forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarflaretracker200 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, fanaticstargazer said: hm. from "almost certainly a glitch" to "missing data", "gaps" and "not knowing if you see ACE or DSCOVR", you go to "SOHO+ DSCOVR had no spikes", therefore there was no spike you assume. i dare say: having gaps+missing data could also prove the hit. instruments cant handle great amounts of mixed charged particles. i would greatly appreciate scientists comments measuring protons on earth, or something like real time gle data. we have the two: https://gle.oulu.fi/#/ https://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/ neutron count can be a hint of an event. has anybody a link, how to monitor proton hit on earth? or more stations/data hinting a protonevent? so far we lack the final evidence, well, beside my pain.. the pain-proton relation is a thing i monitor since 2008. the papers done about that say there's a lot more to research on that... lets investigate a bit more? Hey, chill out. Things aren’t perfect. Issues happen that’s all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticstargazer Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 there was something big goin on (pls chill too, solartracker200, curiosity+research on work here:) ) see https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2022/10/17/powerful-gamma-ray-burst-made-currents-flow-in-the-earth/ https://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn3/32744.gcn3 watch the date of the second link... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesterface23 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 hours ago, fanaticstargazer said: there was something big goin on (pls chill too, solartracker200, curiosity+research on work here:) ) see https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2022/10/17/powerful-gamma-ray-burst-made-currents-flow-in-the-earth/ https://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn3/32744.gcn3 watch the date of the second link... Yes, the image date in the second link says October 9th. This will be the last message I'll make on this in this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmonoth Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 12:12 AM, fanaticstargazer said: no, it's definitely not a glitch. Besides your pain, how can/do you know this? On 10/14/2022 at 12:12 AM, fanaticstargazer said: i was allready scrolling through data for an hour to find whats goin on (before the proton-peak finally appeared on spaceweatherlive), cause my body is like an antenna, reacts to high proton with pain. i had and still have a huge pain-attack. i can tell by the amount of pain what kp we have. I don't discount that you feel pain or doubt your experience. Have you documented this phenomenon? I don't want to get off topic, so perhaps another thread with is appropriate. On 10/14/2022 at 12:12 AM, fanaticstargazer said: its btw the reason i began to explore the sun and its available data. it took years to learn and finally bein able to say: pain+proton-amount correlate (in my case). It doesn't take years to say this, people say the Sun, Protons, Flares, Sun activity cause all sorts of things. Anyone can guess and correlate. From reading what others have said, shown and linked, I would guess the error was mechanical, not some proton spike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Thanks for the heads up fantastic stargazer! Looks like there was the “Brightest of all time” or BOAT Gamma Radio Burst detected from a supernova near sagittari on oct 9th, very cool! I wonder how that event might have been picked up by the space weather detectors as well now! https://noirlab.edu/public/news/noirlab2224/?lang 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticstargazer Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 @ Bry thx very much for your link! tons of data there :)! this was unique how it got observed! a thing i love so much about astronomy is this knowing how little we know... and then explore! @ Archmonoth yes, i'd love to start a thread about the correlation, but i havent got the time now. and it took years, cause in the beginning i didnt have all the data and knowledge. @ Jesterface23 we're writing about something unique, new, unexplored so far. 5 days in cosmis relations to birth of a black hole, gamma burst this size, behaviour of black matter/energy etcetc so near, 5 days are nothing! there could be, probably is a relation/influence. wait, explore and see! data is gathering. i stay curious and open. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanaticstargazer Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 again: 25.oct 2022, 03:48 utc, 130.73p/cm³ what else is goin on?: spaceweather.com today writes: "FARSIDE SUNSPOT: There is a sunspot on the farside of the sun so big it is changing the way the sun vibrates. Helioseismic maps reveal its acoustic echo a few days behind the sun's northeastern limb." and: datapoints never measured before, thought of as impossible or breaking assumptions emerge from the gamma ray burst observations of 9. oct. and after, see https://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn/gcn3_archive.html (out of Bry's great link https://noirlab.edu/public/news/noirlab2224/?lang ) are huge amounts of energycharges/particles from the GRB hitting/fooling us/instruments? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarflaretracker200 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, fanaticstargazer said: again: 25.oct 2022, 03:48 utc, 130.73p/cm³ Probably a glitch or something again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunspotRager93 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 36 minutes ago, fanaticstargazer said: again: 25.oct 2022, 03:48 utc, 130.73p/cm³ Hi, so it seems every time you have mentioned this, it's a glitch. Why do you keep asking? I am just wondering.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) There was a pretty sizable earthquake just now in central California 5.1 .. there hasn’t been one since 2007 of that size on that fault. I thought there might be some space weather detectors indicating something, or at least a magnetometer change preceding significant shifts of tectonic plate boundaries. We haven’t had any noticeable earthquakes in years! With regards to this topic of solar wind speed density: Is anyone else wondering how a nuclear test would show up on the same space weather sensors? The last nuke test on sept 3, 2017 seemed to have a potential seismic and space weather signature despite the large flares around and after the event. I honestly was relieved to see the report on supernova as a cause for the recent gamma burst other than ourselves or the sun! I’ve worked in an analytical lab before and remember data glitches usually indicating something was wrong with the machine that needed calibrating, cleaning or communication issues fixed. Space weather sensors are way more complicated so I really appreciate the knowledge y’all share regarding diagnosing these glitches and what they mean during these questionable times, especially when there is no data! Glad to see y’all not too worried, prolly or hopefully just the change of the seasons! Edit: I just remembered there was supposed to be a partial solar eclipse this morning! Now I’m wondering how the moon passing between us and the sun might impact these glitches.. Edited October 25, 2022 by Bry Partial solar eclipse impacts on sensors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesterface23 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Bry said: With regards to this topic of solar wind speed density: Is anyone else wondering how a nuclear test would show up on the same space weather sensors? The satellites that get solar wind data for Earth are out in L1. Good luck getting a nuke there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Warfel Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Bry said: There was a pretty sizable earthquake just now in central California 5.1 .. there hasn’t been one since 2007 of that size on that fault. I thought there might be some space weather detectors indicating something, or at least a magnetometer change preceding significant shifts of tectonic plate boundaries. We haven’t had any noticeable earthquakes in years! With regards to this topic of solar wind speed density: Is anyone else wondering how a nuclear test would show up on the same space weather sensors? The last nuke test on sept 3, 2017 seemed to have a potential seismic and space weather signature despite the large flares around and after the event. I honestly was relieved to see the report on supernova as a cause for the recent gamma burst other than ourselves or the sun! I’ve worked in an analytical lab before and remember data glitches usually indicating something was wrong with the machine that needed calibrating, cleaning or communication issues fixed. Space weather sensors are way more complicated so I really appreciate the knowledge y’all share regarding diagnosing these glitches and what they mean during these questionable times, especially when there is no data! Glad to see y’all not too worried, prolly or hopefully just the change of the seasons! Edit: I just remembered there was supposed to be a partial solar eclipse this morning! Now I’m wondering how the moon passing between us and the sun might impact these glitches.. DSCOVR is at L1, the moon won’t pass between it and the sun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Jesterface23 said: The satellites that get solar wind data for Earth are out in L1. Good luck getting a nuke there. Good point! Unfortunately I looked and found a study discussing how if a large asteroid were approaching earth, our best bet would be to launch a nuclear weapon from the Lagrange points, with the Outer Space Treaty allowing. Looks almost too surreal to be true, or too much like what the movie “Don’t look up” was based off of for me! I see the starfish prime nuclear test in the space in 1962 was only ~250 miles up and Lagrange point is like 1.5 million miles up, but they’re saying beta particles made it into the magnetic field lines or radiation belt and get trapped for five years and damage satellites in low earth orbit.. No wonder the Outer Space treaty was made five years after this space nuclear test in 1962! The aurora description seen on the opposite side of the equator from the starfish prime nuclear blast at the Johnston atoll is something else to read from this wiki, under aftereffects tab... I know nuclear auroras shouldn’t sound beautiful but somehow do! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_radiation_belts shows how induced electric field from artificial radiation belts separates electrons and protons east and west and trap other particles and effect satellites. thanks for the entertainment to ease my qualms after that unexpected earthquake today! 1 hour ago, Orneno said: DSCOVR is at L1, the moon won’t pass between it and the sun Excellent point! I saw this image today of SDO with a chunk taken out of it figured a few other satellites might be effected as well. I see SDO is set at an orbit to avoid solar eclipses but they “occur for an hour a day for a few weeks of the year” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Is it the smiley faced coronal hole hitting us just now or recently? I noticed a solar wind density, speed magnitude and direction spike. I thought it would take longer for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Warfel Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, Bry said: Is it the smiley faced coronal hole hitting us just now or recently? I noticed a solar wind density, speed magnitude and direction spike. I thought it would take longer for some reason. Looks like the CH HSS is here. Seems a little early, but that’s by far the most probable explanation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesterface23 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 We went from the NW CH HSS late yesterday to the center-disk CIR/HSS transition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Do filaments cause more pronounced short, sharp spikes in solar wind density like we’re seeing right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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