The strangest spring in my life

[Bry]

Lol.. except the scientists who wrote the report read this forum and nothing was written on this by then! Glad to keep ideas open sourced for the scientific community to answer basic questions with. Still hard to believe we didn’t already know the correlation already between our galactic year and the continents we live on and ice ages!

[Archmonoth]

21 hours ago, Bry said:

Lol.. except the scientists who wrote the report read this forum and nothing was written on this by then! Glad to keep ideas open sourced for the scientific community to answer basic questions with. Still hard to believe we didn’t already know the correlation already between our galactic year and the continents we live on and ice ages!

The connection is indirect, and slightly increased bombardment isn't easy to find the direct source for. 

 

From the article you posted:

"An increase in stellar density is consistent with an enhanced rate of Earth bombardment by comets, the larger of which would have initiated crustal nuclei production via impact-driven decompression melting of the mantle. "

 

 

[Bry]

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1 hour ago, Archmonoth said:

The connection is indirect, and slightly increased bombardment isn't easy to find the direct source for. 

The article is about the pulse of continent formation being about the same as the galactic year... Space scientists tend to favor extraterrestrial sources (Oort cloud, asteroids, etc) of earths tectonic activity and contributions to life, while geologists tend to focus on internal processes ... kinda like heliophysicicsts. The previous article I based my claim off of considers the pulse of continents at the equator being the same as our ice ages, being due to enhanced subduction and weathering at our equator. This new article mentions none of those internal processes! The pulse they mentioned was 200-240mlion years, which I noticed was about the same as a galactic year.

There was no prior reports written about the galactic year and continental pulse and formation and I know there was nothing written on it at the time because when searching all I got were hits back to my own post on this forum! That’s why I wrote “I noticed this is the same as a galactic year” because I couldn’t actually reference anything yet!

I think the point I’m trying to make here is that space weather scientists don’t often look at geological reports covering the same topic. A non-specialized expert reading interdisciplinary studies might come across more novel correlations than a specialist stuck reading only in their field..

Also, the difficulty with giving credit to women in science for novel ideas is as foundational to our scientific method as the credit score system is to our housing economy’s future development financial plan to build “affordable” rental housing. Especially as paying rent on time doesn’t raise your credit score but paying a mortgage does disadvantaging those forced to pay rent and favoring landlords. Like politicians, scientists with more money and time and credit will get their voices represented over those who work manual labor jobs, and the ideas they hear from creditless manual laborers are easy to derive from without having to reference! I’m not sure swl forum is a citable reference source for publishing scientific works... even though I learned almost everything about our sun and galaxy thanks to the insightful people on this forum! 

  But considering I’m not an expert or full time scientist paid to study the galaxy's influence on continents, I’m surprised to see something I noticed and publically posted about recently in my own free time not working a manual labor job ... just published in 2022 by experts in their field... ! That is mostly the shock.

   The point of my focus on galactic pulse and continents, solar system orientation, tilt and planetary orbital inclination is to automate spaceweather predictions and communications for the disadvantaged folks who are not able to sit on a computer all day and get impacted the most with no warning... not for just getting credit in a journal to be read only by space weather experts sheltered safely on a computer where they could get that information already.

Food has to be grown in the summer, even while we vacation, pilots need to be able to access certain vhf to land safely and communicate with air traffic, and knowing when it might flash flood food crops or start a fire on vulnerable transmission lines might be a bit more important to predict than just getting to see the aurora in a narrow latitude of the world... dead farmers and pilots can be prevented perhaps with more communication about an active regions potential to flare and disrupt essential communications to disadvantaged communities not aware of the suns effects on radio transmission at lower latitudes.

All I’m saying is...if all we needed to predict when our continents form was our solar system’s location in orbit about the galaxy... then what other basic physics principles do we need to know to predict our solar cycles most active periods? The tilt of the solar system, wobble about the galaxy and direction, and planetary orbital inclination and orientation... all get us closer to ultimately forecasting when solar activity would be most geoeffective. Let’s get to it already!

Thanks all for hearing me out, I got to get back to more creditless unpaid work now publishing letters to convince developers and politicians to credit their constituents by not building creditless future communities as a way to solve homelessness...I notice it’s easier to discuss scientific principles with scientists than with the politicians and the public upon whom it’s ultimately implemented. Can’t imagine trying to bring up space weather predictions and scheduled power outages quite yet when we just started alerting the public when pesticides are being sprayed on residents overhead.. I guess when saving lives makes more money than sense!

 

  

 

[Archmonoth]

59 minutes ago, Bry said:

The pulse they mentioned was 200-240mlion years, which I noticed was about the same as a galactic year.

Which could be correlation, a lot happens in 20 million years. This connection is not from some effect on the Earth, but the pull/disruption of comets. 

59 minutes ago, Bry said:

There was no prior reports written about the galactic year and continental pulse and formation and I know there was nothing written on it at the time because when searching all I got were hits back to my own post on this forum! That’s why I wrote “I noticed this is the same as a galactic year” because I couldn’t actually reference anything yet!

It's awesome that you found a correlation, I don't discount that, but the mechanism is from comets impacting the Earth, which is an indirect connection, since the disruption is affecting something else, which then leads to an effect on the Earth. 

59 minutes ago, Bry said:

I think the point I’m trying to make here is that space weather scientists don’t often look at geological reports covering the same topic. A non-specialized expert reading interdisciplinary studies might come across more novel correlations than a specialist stuck reading only in their field..

A slight change in comet impact has huge number of systemic causes and effects. I think it is understandable that it would take an immense amount of data to find/prove this connection. 

59 minutes ago, Bry said:

Also, the difficulty with giving credit to women in science for novel ideas is as foundational to our scientific method as the credit score system is to our housing economy’s future development financial plan to build “affordable” rental housing.

I don't disagree with you. You found a correlation and came to a conclusion that a study/tests were doing at the same time. You didn't do the study, or corelate the data, you were guessing, and it was an accurate guess, even if the mechanism was indirect. 

59 minutes ago, Bry said:

All I’m saying is...if all we needed to predict when our continents form was our solar system’s location in orbit about the galaxy... then what other basic physics principles do we need to know to predict our solar cycles most active periods?

The effect is directly tied to comets hitting Earth, we can see those coming regardless of what time the galactic clock says. 

59 minutes ago, Bry said:

The tilt of the solar system, wobble about the galaxy and direction, and planetary orbital inclination and orientation... all get us closer to ultimately forecasting when solar activity would be most geoeffective. Let’s get to it already!

The link you referenced earlier was saying the increase in geo-activity was from an increase in comet impacts over millions of years.

[Bry]

On 8/2/2022 at 4:19 PM, Bry said:

Sorry, I’m not saying the source of climate change is from our increased rotation speed, but from human induced global warming!

Let me know what I wrote that made you think otherwise!

There is no denying humans have changed our climate, the question is exactly how are we doing it and what are the continual effects that develop.

I think the heat sinks or reservoirs on earth take a while to accumulate heat before they are filled and now the heat is in the atmosphere, increasing entropy and kinetic energy of water vapor, creating a feedback loop like our lack of albedo from the lack of glaciers becoming a heat sink. I have noticed the lack of permanent summer glaciers even here at Saharan latitudes as well in the sierras have made crossing mountain passes easier!

  Another thing noticed by experts recently, is with the intense wildfires scorching forests, there is less shade to protect snow from melting at lower latitudes, enhancing the lack of albedo and spring flooding water redistribution events. I think we have reached the tipping point in realizing how permanent lower latitude glaciers used to stabilize our planets summers.

So yes, I agree with you, the earths recent increase in rotational speed is more from the latent effect of earths heat sinks at capacity from accumulated human emission activities.

I attended a biogeochemical cycles grad class over a decade ago that went over the water cycle speeding up and it’s implications to our fluid dynamics and reservoirs and ultimately as a function of earths rotational speed.

Since water vapor is the number one “green house gas” we emit that can trap heat, and climate change just basically means a faster water cycle, it does make sense that we are now experiencing an increase in speed on our earth rotation is all I’m saying. 

I will say that there is some hope the planet has its own regulatory process. the  professor in that department seemed not too worried for our climate because they seemed to know that heat and water on a certain rocks traps those gases, regulating this climate runaway effect effectively for the last 5 rotations around the galaxy.

A warmer climates makes for faster water cycle  that will enhance rain weathering on equatorial subduction zones and sequester water, co2 and other gases into the rock reservoirs or sinks below. This sequestering of carbon dioxide and water cools the planet and allows ice caps to form at the poles.

I am noticing it seems like this pulse happens every galactic year or so (sun orbits around the galaxy center every ~230million years.) Exactly one orbit ago, mammals evolved fur, wonder what was happening then...

“Animation showing suture zones developing as tectonic plates evolved over the last 540 million years. MIT researchers found sutures in the tropical rain belt, shown in green, were associated with Earth's major ice ages. Credit: Swanson-Hysell research group” 

From: https://news.mit.edu/2019/tectonics-tropics-trigger-ice-ages-0314

The question now is: 

is human activity producing enough heat and emissions to overpower the earths regulatory system of raining on subduction zones to maintain ice caps at the poles. Is that why earth is spinning faster if equatorial glaciers melt first before ice caps? And rain can melt snow at lower latitudes.

Always down to discuss climate vs weather without any aurora sighting potential down here!

I’ll admit, after yesterdays much needed and unexpected downpour in droughtland Im pretty stoked to have hurricane remnants in the summer if it’s gonna bring rain in the summer and no lightning.

 

 

 

Sorry if I don’t write clearly.. so much going on around here, hard to spend the time properly! I do see how the new published piece I’m contending used this forum is hard to read to get the impression that the novel part of their study is providing evidence for galactic orbit pulse and continent formation. I posted a review quote below in bold that gave me the impression in simpler terms.

Above is a repost of the MIT study I’ve shared at least 3 times on this forum this year because it’s so important and relevant to spinning spheres in space.. I bolded the relevant parts and the rest for context for my claim.

The study was on continental collisions at the tropics and ice ages occurring around ~230million year pulses... which made me ponder its similarity to the galactic year which, ultimately, people on this forum (wildwill, newbie, anarchmonoth and others) helped me think about. Not trying to claim that I did their work or particular study to prove it! The data was already available then to see the correlation, however.

Im just saying there was nothing on the correlation between the galactic year length and continental formation when I posted this and prior that year.

There are a ton of studies on comets, asteroids and other extraterrestrial debris forming our continents however. This is because that’s how our moon was formed, and our continents in general from the planetoid Thea, our moon precursor smashing into earth and that potentially kickstarted our tectonic cycle. So there are plenty of studies already on comets, asteroids etc. contributing to crust formation.

So to reiterate and clarify so I don’t confuse:

what I am commenting on is that there was no prior correlation between the galactic orbit and continent formation when I made my comment this August based off of this study’s 230million year pulse (this is a review of study):

https://news.mit.edu/2019/tectonics-tropics-trigger-ice-ages-0314

Vs this newly published study:

https://phys.org/news/2022-08-scientists-earth-path-galaxy-tiny.html

here is a quote from the easier to read review (above) of the newly published work on galactic orbit and continent production:

”So, there seems to be a possible connection between the timing of crust production on Earth and the length of time it takes to orbit the galactic spiral arms—but why?”

This should makes it a little more clear hopefully what I am implying. Unless orbiting the “galactic spiral arms” means something else...I don’t think it’s anything to sweat over however but super interesting/exciting to see how our sciences evolve with each other.

Thanks so much for the critical outlooks, I do take them seriously 😳 and learn a lot more along the way... but I still think this forum might have pushed the envelope for that study being published right now!

cheers

I am so sorry orneno for posting in the wrong topic again! I just thought this was super relevant to what was posted here at that time... its hard to quote from other topics on a phone might be why I keep doing this.

thanks for keeping it real down to earth on here, admin, mod, IT.. 🙏 ☀️