Magnetic Pole Excursion?

[AScaredObserver]

Saw a video by Suspicious0bservers saying that we're in the middle of a Magnetic Pole Excursion and that it is going to be a cataclysmic event that doesn't take much time to complete. Has anyone heard of this and are we doomed for real?

Edited December 6, 2023 by AScaredObserver

[Vancanneyt Sander]

Don't listen to YouTubers who sensationalize everything and fear monger the nations. YouTubers aren't scientist and don't know anything about space weather. 

It's true that the pole somewhat shift, but it won't result in a sudden collapse of the magnetic field or magnetic reversal and won't create a catastrophic event. 

[AScaredObserver]

41 minutes ago, Vancanneyt Sander said:

Don't listen to YouTubers who sensationalize everything and fear monger the nations. YouTubers aren't scientist and don't know anything about space weather. 

It's true that the pole somewhat shift, but it won't result in a sudden collapse of the magnetic field or magnetic reversal and won't create a catastrophic event. 

Then why are so many people talking about a cataclysmic pole shift in the near future? Surely there must be something to it all, even if it is sensationalized for clicks. 😕

Like, I don't get how it can be dismissed as fear mongering when you have stuff like tree rings and the magnetism of rocks that suggest some kind of spike in radiation or an extreme shift in the poles.

[Jesterface23]

12 minutes ago, AScaredObserver said:

Then why are so many people talking about a cataclysmic pole shift in the near future?

If it is Earth's relative near future, we've got a long long wait.

[AScaredObserver]

6 minutes ago, Jesterface23 said:

If it is Earth's relative near future, we've got a long long wait.

I'm sorry for sounding like a worry wart, but movies like "Knowing" and "The Core" are what got me into space weather to begin with... mainly to see if the scenarios presented in those movies are even possible. Sadly, I found Sus0bs around the time I stumbled upon "Knowing" and it sounded very real. It scared me so bad I called into work the next day and had an awkward conversation with my parents.

[Philalethes]

14 hours ago, AScaredObserver said:

Saw a video by Suspicious0bservers saying that we're in the middle of a Magnetic Pole Excursion and that it is going to be a cataclysmic event that doesn't take much time to complete. Has anyone heard of this and are we doomed for real?

See this recent thread and use that one instead, and don't be afraid to use the search button next time you consider opening up a thread on a topic that has already been addressed countless times. And here's a comment I made in that thread which links to an article that provides you with all the actual scientific facts you need to answer your own question, and also a summary of it.

36 minutes ago, AScaredObserver said:

Then why are so many people talking about a cataclysmic pole shift in the near future?

How many people would that be? The 0.000001% of the world's population that hangs out on Ben's channel, few of which even have much actual scientific knowledge on the matter? Classic example of the base rate fallacy; when you start out with a minuscule population that already comprises mostly fearmongerers and paranoiacs, then of course you'll find that a large percentage of them are engaging in fearmongering and paranoia.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Philalethes
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[AScaredObserver]

27 minutes ago, Philalethes said:

See this recent thread and use that one instead, and don't be afraid to use the search button next time you consider opening up a thread on a topic that has already been addressed countless times. And here's a comment I made in that thread which links to an article that provides you with all the actual scientific facts you need to answer your own question, and also a summary of it.

How many people would that be? The 0.000001% of the world's population that hangs out on Ben's channel, few of which even have much actual scientific knowledge on the matter? Classic example of the base rate fallacy; when you start out with a minuscule population that already comprises mostly fearmongerers and paranoiacs, then of course you'll find that a large percentage of them are engaging in fearmongering and paranoia.

Well I try to not fall for fearmongering, but I do know there are things that our governments have hidden from us... so that part of me always gets me in the end... especially the whole "Adam & Eve Story" thing the CIA apparently has that discusses "the next cataclysm".

[hamateur 1953]

Real knowledge of our environment will ultimately dispel many fears people have.  Knowing who you can trust is sometimes difficult. Especially if you’re afraid of something you don’t completely understand.  Personally it seems unconscionable to me to knowingly spread fear.  Unfortunately freedom of speech must include the freedom to be silly.  Nuf said. 

[AScaredObserver]

5 minutes ago, hamateur 1953 said:

Real knowledge of our environment will ultimately dispel many fears people have.  Knowing who you can trust is sometimes difficult. Especially if you’re afraid of something you don’t completely understand.  Personally it seems unconscionable to me to knowingly spread fear.  Unfortunately freedom of speech must include the freedom to be silly.  Nuf said. 

"Chew the hay, spit out the sticks" is what my mom said.

[hamateur 1953]

I like your mom’s advice! Bravo Mom! 

[Drax Spacex]

A magnetic pole excursion sounds a lot more fun than the excursions offered on my last cruise.  Sign me up!

[Sunshine]

Sounds like a great opportunity to sell T-shirts for merch  "Magnetic Pole Excusion 2025 - I was there!"

[MinYoongi]

55 minutes ago, Sunshine said:

Sounds like a great opportunity to sell T-shirts for merch  "Magnetic Pole Excusion 2025 - I was there!"

why 2025 lol?

 

@AScaredObserver Ben and his Doomsday Cult are not to be taken serious. There are a lot of threads on twitter and videos on youtube debunking him and his bullshit. i advice you look at them.

[AScaredObserver]

1 hour ago, MinYoongi said:

 

@AScaredObserver Ben and his Doomsday Cult are not to be taken serious. There are a lot of threads on twitter and videos on youtube debunking him and his bullshit. i advice you look at them.

But why do I get this feeling that maybe there's some shred of truth to what he's saying?

[MinYoongi]

2 hours ago, AScaredObserver said:

But why do I get this feeling that maybe there's some shred of truth to what he's saying?

What do you want to hear from me now? Are you here to spread his mental diarreah? i will avoid this post, you dont seemingly want truth/answers but to feed into your anxiety. there are literally 2 big threads about this which have been linked to you combined with even more answers. i still wish you good luck of escaping doom/fearporn youtube because it will literally destroy you if you dont and you wont be able to enjoy life.

[AScaredObserver]

54 minutes ago, MinYoongi said:

What do you want to hear from me now? Are you here to spread his mental diarreah? i will avoid this post, you dont seemingly want truth/answers but to feed into your anxiety. there are literally 2 big threads about this which have been linked to you combined with even more answers. i still wish you good luck of escaping doom/fearporn youtube because it will literally destroy you if you dont and you wont be able to enjoy life.

I'm sorry. I have asperger's and have trust issues. I'm sorry that I even asked.

[hamateur 1953]

On 12/5/2023 at 6:24 PM, AScaredObserver said:

Saw a video by Suspicious0bservers saying that we're in the middle of a Magnetic Pole Excursion and that it is going to be a cataclysmic event that doesn't take much time to complete. Has anyone heard of this and are we doomed for real?

Don’t be sorry you asked a rational question ( and it was rational). What I was suggesting that very likely you and the rest of the world’s inhabitants will be just fine.  My family members hear stuff like this frequently and call on me to supply a decent perspective as to the likelihood of a 10.0 Seattle destroying earthquake, for just one example. ( this just last year). Even sincere people can get taken in by some pretty far out stuff. 
I know this because I have myself in the past.  Does the source cite university studies that can be verified? 
The absence of trustworthy sources is a big red flag to me now.  Stick around here awhile and enjoy the upcoming aurora and its pics!  You won’t regret it!  Mike/Hagrid.    Edit. Please tell your Mom I tried the hay, I like steak better, but hey, each to their own.,  ( jk) 

Edited December 7, 2023 by hamateur 1953
Haywire.

[Newbie]

On 12/6/2023 at 1:24 PM, AScaredObserver said:

Saw a video by Suspicious0bservers saying that we're in the middle of a Magnetic Pole Excursion and that it is going to be a cataclysmic event that doesn't take much time to complete. Has anyone heard of this and are we doomed for real?

Hello @AScaredObserver

You are not the first person to come  to this forum fearful of the aforementioned events and of space weather itself.
When I first joined I noted those people were shown kindness and respect on the forum and after a while they began to understand the processes that produced space weather and other related phenomena.

As @hamateur 1953 said it is good if you stick around and learn the science behind these events that trouble you. 
You will no longer fear those things.

 I remember when I made my first topic post I didn’t do a proper search of what had already been posted either. 🤣

Newbie 😊

 

[Sunshine]

18 hours ago, MinYoongi said:

why 2025 lol?

For the estimated activity maximum.

@AScaredObserver Yes, I can only agree. Stick around here and you learn so much about how space weather works, how different parts all link together, and what is actually happening and why. Then you learn why you don't need to fear those those things, and on top of that you can interpret the data and like others already said, enjoy some beautiful auroras.
I came here a few years ago, when I had started to do some space weather forecasts more as a joke for a community of science fiction fans in particular for the Aeon14 series of books. Then I wanted to learn more, to not just spout some nonsense but give those people some actual space weather. So I began to learn more and more. 

I had seen my very first aurora just last week, a faint pink glow towards the east... But that's what happens when we get a G3 during the day  Still, it's been my first, if not for the people here, I would have missed it.
 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Sunshine
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[Orilander]

@AScaredObserver

Trust me, in a sea of things that gets me anxious every now and again. The one true consistent in all of this is that Ben Davidson is not someone who can be trusted in the slightest. Even his so-called "news" reports uses outdated readings when a site like this is called SpaceWeatherLive for a reason.

I've also read horror stories from both critics and fans alike about how Ben acts when it comes to his would-be information, and that he lashes out at anyone who doesn't 100% agree with him no questions asked (up to and including getting banned from his channel for asking even the simplest of questions). More than a few of his fellow watchers were burned by it, and he's gotten a negative reaction from even other like-minded solar watchers like RealBPEarthWatch and Valentina Zharkova. There's even stories from people who used to work for Ben that confirm he's mostly doing it to push his own anti-government agenda (many of his subscribers fall into that trap as well, from what I've noticed) and to fleece people out of money, clearly something he wouldn't be doing if he was anything close to a reputable source like SWL is; or in his case, claiming there's a doomsday coming up.

I know this is more a tl;dr post than anything, but trust me, if it's him or any other YouTuber of his ilk, you're better off ignoring him outright. As others have said, there's plenty of valuable sources here (some people notwithstanding) that'll help you out. A lot of what Ben says is manufactured from either unrelated science papers, half-truths, or theories stolen from other fringe "solar scientists" (the core of his "studies" comes from Doug Vogt, who is a rather religious fellow, and someone else who hates Davidson), mixed in with completely made-up BS. That "Adam & Eve Story" thing is also something frequently brought up by conspiracy theorists as proof, but how true any of that actually is, or even if it's real to begin with is up for anyone to guess as those people often never go into the nitty gritty about it or even share it, a red flag right there. Ditto anything with magnetic fields, as it's pretty clear most of these people are going off of older articles from 2019 or so speculating at how fast the north pole is moving.

Would I say there's no merit to the information? Mostly yes. There's some kernels of possible truth in there, but they're so generalized and broad, and ruined by S0's political biases and doomsday pandering that even those sound manufactured in the grand scheme of things. So yeah, probably best to avoid him or people like him and actually stick around those who know what they're talking about. Also, when we say Ben's not an actual scientist, we do mean it - he was a lawyer, dropped out, and according to someone close to him, had worked at a pharmaceutical company before getting fired from it and starting his channel; which, if you went from oldest video first, talked about your typical conspiratorial topics like Nibiru for a while before switching over to "Earthquake predictions", then to "solar activity".

  

2 hours ago, Sunshine said:

For the estimated activity maximum.

@AScaredObserver Yes, I can only agree. Stick around here and you learn so much about how space weather works, how different parts all link together, and what is actually happening and why. Then you learn why you don't need to fear those those things, and on top of that you can interpret the data and like others already said, enjoy some beautiful auroras.
I came here a few years ago, when I had started to do some space weather forecasts more as a joke for a community of science fiction fans in particular for the Aeon14 series of books. Then I wanted to learn more, to not just spout some nonsense but give those people some actual space weather. So I began to learn more and more. 

I had seen my very first aurora just last week, a faint pink glow towards the east... But that's what happens when we get a G3 during the day  Still, it's been my first, if not for the people here, I would have missed it.
 

Also, if I remember right, aren't the models by Macintosh predicting a much earlier solar max in 2024? Because I'm hearing it could be anytime between January and October of that year and not anywhere in 2025.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Orilander

[AScaredObserver]

53 minutes ago, Orilander said:

 

Also, when we say Ben's not an actual scientist, we do mean it - he was a lawyer, dropped out, and according to someone close to him, had worked at a pharmaceutical company before getting fired from it and starting his channel; which, if you went from oldest video first, talked about your typical conspiratorial topics like Nibiru for a while before switching over to "Earthquake predictions", then to "solar activity".

Really now? So he is an actual grifter? That might explain why YouTube hasn't taken down his channel. If he was saying something the government truly didn't want getting out there, he'd either be a martyr like William Cooper or his channel would suddenly get removed entirely. 

[Orilander]

1 hour ago, AScaredObserver said:

Really now? So he is an actual grifter? That might explain why YouTube hasn't taken down his channel. If he was saying something the government truly didn't want getting out there, he'd either be a martyr like William Cooper or his channel would suddenly get removed entirely. 

Honestly, that more reflects poorly on YouTube than it does Mr. Davidson's lack of science skills. Given the channel is full of misinformation and alt-right biases from him and his followers. To say nothing about the amount of time he's talked about or supported the act of genocide against anyone who he doesn't like (which should be a bannable offence, but unless someone at google is in support of that channel and others like it, it is a very bad mark on the site and its content moderation).

I know it's getting off topic a bit, but at the same time, the fact that he is still allowed to promote such content as he does rings as a testament to how awful YouTube and its moderation team is like (that and Ben likes to insert said biases in his videos quite often, it was much worse in 2020/21). And he claims he's being censored by them when I see the exact opposite. Hell, even if this did lead to a doomsday-level event, Ben still wouldn't be the person that should be trusted with such information given all the stuff he's done already. That aught to tell you how untrustworthy he is as both a so-called scientist, and as a human being.

[AScaredObserver]

19 minutes ago, Orilander said:

Honestly, that more reflects poorly on YouTube than it does Mr. Davidson's lack of science skills. Given the channel is full of misinformation and alt-right biases from him and his followers. To say nothing about the amount of time he's talked about or supported the act of genocide against anyone who he doesn't like (which should be a bannable offence, but unless someone at google is in support of that channel and others like it, it is a very bad mark on the site and its content moderation).

I know it's getting off topic a bit, but at the same time, the fact that he is still allowed to promote such content as he does rings as a testament to how awful YouTube and its moderation team is like (that and Ben likes to insert said biases in his videos quite often, it was much worse in 2020/21). And he claims he's being censored by them when I see the exact opposite. Hell, even if this did lead to a doomsday-level event, Ben still wouldn't be the person that should be trusted with such information given all the stuff he's done already. That aught to tell you how untrustworthy he is as both a so-called scientist, and as a human being.

I can agree that something with him doesn't pass the smell test. When he promoted a site called "Solar Killshot" (a site detailing a micronova type event for 2030/40) and it had the balls to ask you to pay up for what should be FREE (if it was true), something immediately bothered me about his legitimacy as a source of solar activity news.

[Orilander]

3 hours ago, AScaredObserver said:

I can agree that something with him doesn't pass the smell test. When he promoted a site called "Solar Killshot" (a site detailing a micronova type event for 2030/40) and it had the balls to ask you to pay up for what should be FREE (if it was true), something immediately bothered me about his legitimacy as a source of solar activity news.

Oh no doubt that's what he's doing. He knows full well what he's doing, and he doesn't care. As long as there are people scared and confused or crazy enough to believe him at his word and only his word, he'll continue to get away with it for as long as possible. Also the Micronova is a theory he stole almost wholesale from Vogt/Diehold; all he did was remove anything to do with the religious aspects of the theory, and force in science instead. All while dodging any and all questions about the minute details because, again, he knows what he did (steal the theory; something Vogt has openly called out Ben for and both men have officially discredited the other), and being defensive is the only way he can get around it.

[AScaredObserver]

1 hour ago, Orilander said:

Also the Micronova is a theory he stole almost wholesale from Vogt/Diehold; all he did was remove anything to do with the religious aspects of the theory, and force in science instead.

Micronova? Religious? I'm sorry how does a world-ending event relate to religion?