Mogh, Lord of Blood Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Is what's going on with the sun right now serious? What will happen in the next few days the level of Kp continues to increase up to 9? I lack information and stress because of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamateur 1953 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 You and all people should be just fine. We have survived many many of these events and in fact wait in anticipation of the beautiful auroral displays. Our electrical grids are also far better capable of handling these things than in years past. Don’t watch the scary stuff unless you like fear. The more you learn the safer you will feel. mike. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZed24 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 No need to worry! The sun is approaching it's maximum amount of activity, but this geomagnetic storm was caused by a filament eruption. Earth is protected by a magnetic field, which shields us from quite a lot. The worst that could happen is some local power outages, if one is unlucky enough. But the people who manage the power grids know how to handle the eventual increased load on the power grid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinYoongi Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 everything is fine 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher S. Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I recommend reviewing colors used for alerts. I feel that red/yellow/green are distracting from what is actually taking place as well as how we should respond. How many other alerts can you think of colored red would otherwise be a call-to-action or emergency? It's really that simple, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philalethes Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mogh, Lord of Blood said: Is what's going on with the sun right now serious? It's serious business for aurora enthusiasts and space weather scientists, that's for sure. 4 hours ago, Mogh, Lord of Blood said: What will happen in the next few days the level of Kp continues to increase up to 9? Better aurorae and more interesting data for space weather scientists. Well, I guess a KP9 would be extreme enough that some satellites might kick the bucket, and maybe blow some transformers. But there's practically 0% chance that these CMEs will cause a G5 (KP9). Edited February 27, 2023 by Philalethes Bythos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Warfel Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 What other people have said above, but also, the KP will not increase to 9. It hasn’t since the early 2000s But even if it did, you would be perfectly fine, and probably not know anything at all was happening if you weren’t reading about it online, or if you didn’t look out the window and see aurora. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isatsuki San Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sam Warfel said: Lo que otras personas han dicho anteriormente, pero también, el KP no aumentará a 9. No lo ha hecho desde principios de la década de 2000. Pero incluso si lo hiciera, estarías perfectamente bien, y probablemente no sabrías nada en absoluto si no estuvieras leyendo sobre eso en línea, o si no miraras por la ventana y vieras la aurora. That is true there is even a registration of a temporary turnover for a solar storm, the solar storm of 1989, which left Quebec for 9 hour I think I remember that it was 2 times smaller strong than the Carptong storm Edited February 27, 2023 by Isatsuki San Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Theres been a widespread power & internet outages near our local plate tectonic boundary for the last two days when the geomagnetic storm hit and we got freak snow on the mtns & beach! Now the solar wind speed is over 800km/sec and a huge gust just rolled in... It sure seems like a lot is going on despite not seeing auroras in a geomagnetic storm at 37 deg latitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogh, Lord of Blood Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bry said: Theres been a widespread power & internet outages near our local plate tectonic boundary for the last two days when the geomagnetic storm hit and we got freak snow on the mtns & beach! Now the solar wind speed is over 800km/sec and a huge gust just rolled in... It sure seems like a lot is going on despite not seeing auroras in a geomagnetic storm at 37 deg latitude! I'm sorry i'm not an expert about this could you explain it to me in a simple way please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Sorry, I just meant central California coast has seen some weird weather during this geomagnetic storm. It never snows on the beach usually because the Pacific Ocean keeps air temps warm. This rare snowstorm could have impacted power and internet too I’d imagine. We live near the San Andreas fault which is a plate tectonic boundary and is where all the power comes over on the mountain. I imagine during a strong geomagnetic storm the more resistive side vs the more conductive side of the faults get issues, along with topographic effects. All is well though mostly, I’m just noting there have been some notable events during this geomagnetic storm even at low latitudes where auroras can’t be usually seen. I’m curious if anyone else experienced anything notable at lower latitudes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Christopher S. Posted February 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, Mogh, Lord of Blood said: I'm sorry i'm not an expert about this could you explain it to me in a simple way please ? Sometimes, people will draw lines of connection between space weather and like, 5 other things simultaneously. If you're not an expert, I recommend finding actual expertise on the subject and not using this forum in place of simple Google searches. 22 minutes ago, Bry said: Sorry, I just meant central California coast has seen some weird weather during this geomagnetic storm. Completely unrelated. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinYoongi Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Christopher S. said: Sometimes, people will draw lines of connection between space weather and like, 5 other things simultaneously. If you're not an expert, I recommend finding actual expertise on the subject and not using this forum in place of simple Google searches. Completely unrelated. Thank you for bringing some sense into the topic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax Spacex Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 We are safe from the solar and geomagnetic storms but not from the influence of the spin doctors. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmonoth Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bry said: Theres been a widespread power & internet outages near our local plate tectonic boundary for the last two days when the geomagnetic storm hit and we got freak snow on the mtns & beach! Now the solar wind speed is over 800km/sec and a huge gust just rolled in... It sure seems like a lot is going on despite not seeing auroras in a geomagnetic storm at 37 deg latitude! Weather is based on the water cycle, ocean currents, and geological structures like mountain ranges. Solar wind originates in space and is diverted through the polar cusps in the magnetosphere. Edited February 27, 2023 by Archmonoth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher S. Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 You'll come across a lot of fearmongering on the topic of Space Weather, so it's best to ask questions and seek answers privately, at first, until you're confident in the science. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Christopher S. said: Completely unrelated. I think reporting power outages, internet outages, or notable weather events (like if it snowed on the beach where it never snows) during notable geomagnetic storms is useful especially for lower latitudes where the majority of people live & unaware of the aurora. Did anyone experience anything other than the expected aurora? I’ll take the agitated answers from those near the aurora as a yes ..lol. Its snowing again in central California! I would love to discuss more about the relationships between earth and solar weather & equipment interactions at different latitudes because I don’t think experts are the only ones affected or needing to know. 3 hours ago, Archmonoth said: Solar wind originates in space and is diverted through the polar cusps in the magnetosphere. Interesting how solar wind speed got to be over 800km/sec today & is said to be rare & associated with a 2hPa change in pressure on earths surface at midlatitudes according to this study in South Korea. Looks like some solar winds can make it through when they are that high via a “forebrush decrease” to increase pressures on earths surface. @David Silver shared this awhile back with you, guess you missed it. Weather physics is so fun! https://www.technologyreview.com/2011/07/13/258537/solar-wind-changes-atmospheric-pressure-over-south-korea/amp/ Thanks for keeping this forum friendly and warm, really shows what latitude can do for the soul and spirit & might provide some answer as to why global tensions seem to be flaring up where they do! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesterface23 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 @Bry Blame the polar jet stream that was days or weeks in the making on your local event. That's about it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Philalethes Posted February 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Bry said: I think reporting power outages, internet outages, or notable weather events (like if it snowed on the beach where it never snows) during notable geomagnetic storms is useful especially for lower latitudes where the majority of people live & unaware of the aurora. Did anyone experience anything other than the expected aurora? I’ll take the agitated answers from those near the aurora as a yes ..lol. Its snowing again in central California! I would love to discuss more about the relationships between earth and solar weather & equipment interactions at different latitudes because I don’t think experts are the only ones affected or needing to know. Interesting how solar wind speed got to be over 800km/sec today & is said to be rare & associated with a 2hPa change in pressure on earths surface at midlatitudes according to this study in South Korea. Looks like some solar winds can make it through when they are that high via a “forebrush decrease” to increase pressures on earths surface. @David Silver shared this awhile back with you, guess you missed it. Weather physics is so fun! https://www.technologyreview.com/2011/07/13/258537/solar-wind-changes-atmospheric-pressure-over-south-korea/amp/ Thanks for keeping this forum friendly and warm, really shows what latitude can do for the soul and spirit & might provide some answer as to why global tensions seem to be flaring up where they do! I think it's fine to speculate about connections between Solar activity to climate and weather, but I strongly doubt the events are related in this case; connections to climate are already extremely difficult to demonstrate, let alone connections to actual weather events. It's very easy to see ghosts when it comes to drawing connections like these simply because two somewhat unusual events happen roughly at the same time. Also, the fact that you try to reach for anything other than the aurora happening by interpreting people who rightfully tell you that your anecdotal connection is spurious as giving you "agitated answers" is an indication to me that you're not being rational here. It sounds like something you want to be true more than something that actually is true (note that I'm not saying that it's not true, but I don't see sufficient evidence for concluding anything like that at all). The null hypothesis should be that any effect is minimal and unlikely to cause any notable weather events, and it should require definitive evidence to conclude otherwise. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I think @Vancanneyt SanderPosted this article awhile back: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010JA016362 showing more geomagnetic storms occurred during the equinoxes than solstices. The equinoxes are also when the jet stream on earth crosses into the opposite hemisphere from the poles, and when midlatitudes tend to get their most severe weather events. This tells me earths tilt in relation to the sun does indeed influence the occurrence of seasons on earth & geomagnetic storms at least annually. Thus, I would expect the most impactful geomagnetic storms to occur during solar max years during the equinoxes when the polar jet stream crosses midlatitudes. Thats why I think it’s worth noting when notable weather events, power & internet outages occur with geomagnetic storms because tracking the jet steam at least seems completely forecastable at this point. At least, effects on earths surface that are mildly detrimental to hardware or communication issues seems to be more what @Mogh, Lord of Bloodwas worried about than the aurora itself. Glad to not hear of any severe issues at auroral latitudes, I do think much of the world is deeply concerned about countries with delicately dangerous equipment getting disturbed by our sun & starting a nuclear blame reaction Cold War style ...so it’s good to hear nothing but stalwart resilience & awareness up there! There’s been quite a few train derailments and chemical plant explosions in the US lately, makes me think larger infrastructure at lower latitudes is prone to more than just crappier attitudes during periods of geomagnetic unrest... 😝 I certainly do wish it was possible to forecast future changes to equipment, behavior & any potential effects they might have on global conflicts to prevent them ahead of time... instead of just praying for peaceful negotiations! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Popular Post Christopher S. Posted February 28, 2023 Solution Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2023 19 hours ago, Bry said: I think reporting power outages, internet outages, or notable weather events (like if it snowed on the beach where it never snows) during notable geomagnetic storms is useful especially for lower latitudes where the majority of people live & unaware of the aurora. While you're certainly free to think whatever you'd like, please keep it to yourself until you have more than "it snowed here" to go off of. You do not understand even basic meteorology, so I advise against pretending to have spent any meaningful length of time researching these subjects, much less raise an alarm about them. I would be more patient, if you were only just misinformed, however: 11 hours ago, Bry said: starting a nuclear blame reaction Cold War style In my honest opinion it looks like you're just here to rile people up, and aren't actually seeking education or discussion on these topics. You will not find an echo chamber here for pseudo-scientific or politically-charged ideas. This is not a forum for wild speculation by uninterested and bored people like yourself, who cherry-pick bits of information to write some borderline propagandist narratives. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmonoth Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) On 2/27/2023 at 3:14 PM, Bry said: Interesting how solar wind speed got to be over 800km/sec today & is said to be rare & associated with a 2hPa change in pressure on earths surface at midlatitudes according to this study in South Korea. Looks like some solar winds can make it through when they are that high via a “forebrush decrease” to increase pressures on earths surface. @David Silver shared this awhile back with you, guess you missed it. Weather physics is so fun! A pressure change of 2hPa doesn't cause extreme weather. Perhaps 20-30, or 50+ but pressure changes aren't the issue with current weather conditions, its artic air, its mountain ranges, it's the systems we measured before the solar wind hit 800+. On 2/27/2023 at 3:14 PM, Bry said: Thanks for keeping this forum friendly and warm, really shows what latitude can do for the soul and spirit & might provide some answer as to why global tensions seem to be flaring up where they do! Global tensions are not causes by solar wind, activity or geo magnetic storms. That is a lie, its false, it's as incorrect as you can be. Global tensions are caused by limited resources, territory, moral issues, past history between nations, and political power plays. Alexander Chizhevsky was someone who suggested this connection, and it is pure speculation. The Sun isn't invading a country or interacting with a global market. Solar events can be correlated with millions of things which are not connected to solar activity. Correlation means they only happen at the same time, not that their systems or effects interact. 21 hours ago, Bry said: Thats why I think it’s worth noting when notable weather events, power & internet outages occur with geomagnetic storms because tracking the jet steam at least seems completely forecastable at this point. The jet streams may have broken down over the last couple of years. Not from solar activity, but due to climate change (off topic) and you can see their collapse here: Windy: Wind map & weather forecast (This is why Europe had droughts last year, due to the jet streams going around the geography.) The extreme weather currently, is due to the arctic air being pulled south as described by Rosby waves: Rossby wave - Wikipedia This has nothing to do with solar wind. 21 hours ago, Bry said: There’s been quite a few train derailments and chemical plant explosions in the US lately, makes me think larger infrastructure at lower latitudes is prone to more than just crappier attitudes during periods of geomagnetic unrest... 😝 Criminal greed and oversight have nothing to do with solar wind or geomagnetic activity. Edited March 1, 2023 by Archmonoth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilesh Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 What's happening, 3rd Deed Droop ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanneyt Sander Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 3 minuten geleden, Nilesh zei: What's happening, 3rd Deed Droop ? GOES eclipse season has started and lasts till April. During this eclipse season the spacecraft enters the shadow of the Earth so the earth blocks X-rays of the Sun causing these drops. Once the spacecraft goes out the shadow X-rays are measured again. This is normal behaviour of the satellite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilesh Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 These eclipse happens in a row , 27- feb-23, 28-feb-23 and 1- Mar-23. How many times it would appear till April ? 29 minutes ago, Vancanneyt Sander said: GOES eclipse season has started and lasts till April. During this eclipse season the spacecraft enters the shadow of the Earth so the earth blocks X-rays of the Sun causing these drops. Once the spacecraft goes out the shadow X-rays are measured again. This is normal behaviour of the satellite These eclipse happens in a row , 27- feb-23, 28-feb-23 and 1- Mar-23. How many times it would appear till April ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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