How solar storm cause typhoon?

[oemSpace]

Recently there are so many solar storm during sept, 2020, and korea gets typhoon as well. I would like to know on how solar storm cause typhoon.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am0j6arF6Gc

[Christopher S.]

There is no direct link between formation of storms on Earth and geomagnetic storms. At least, not a connection that is known. The Typhoon you speak of formed due to favorable atmospheric conditions(lack of shear, moist airmass) over warm SSTs(above 28ºC), as every Hurricane/Cyclone/Typhoon does. This is Hurricane season for the Indian Ocean basin, North Atlantic basin and the North Pacific basins.

There have been no geomagnetic storms in September so far, and we've only reached G1 status in August in the last month, from a glancing blow CME and prolonged interaction with a Coronal Hole wind stream. These do not coincide with any tropical formation.

[oemSpace]

I would like to know on how CMEs influences the Earth's tectonic plates and release a high energy

During March - April and September - October, do CMEs occur more often during this periods? and why?

Do you have any suggestions?

Thank you very much for any suggestions (^v^)

Edited September 7, 2020 by oemSpace

[Maxime Fiset]

1 hour ago, oemSpace said:

Recently there are so many solar storm during sept, 2020, and korea gets typhoon as well. I would like to know on how solar storm cause typhoon.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am0j6arF6Gc

There were actually very few solar storms in the past years.

[oemSpace]

I may use the wrong words, would CMEs be correct?

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

 

[Christopher S.]

32 minutes ago, oemSpace said:

I may use the wrong words, would CMEs be correct?

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

 

58 minutes ago, oemSpace said:

I would like to know on how CMEs influences the Earth's tectonic plates and release a high energy

During March - April and September - October, do CMEs occur more often during this periods? and why?

Do you have any suggestions?

Thank you very much for any suggestions (^v^)

There have been a grand total of 2 CME interactions with Earth since the Hurricane/Typhoon/Cyclone season began(maybe 3?) and certainly many more than 3 tropical storm formations have taken place, not aligned at all with those CME interactions. 

As for CME/Flares interacting with Earthquakes, we discussed this in this thread and agreed that there is no relationship between these phenomenae(apart from Earthquake "lights", which is presently still a mystery): 

CMEs do not occur in a relationship with the months of the year. They occur at any time there is a complex magnetic plage or specific disturbance on the solar surface which releases solar material, and that can occur at any time of a solar cycle. CMEs and Solar Flares are more common during Solar Maximum. Perhaps Marcel or Vancanneyt could point out where on SWL that this is explained in greater detail, but this page will help explain: https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/help

 

[oemSpace]

Thanks, to everyone very much for suggestions (^v^)

[The Atmosphere Guy]

There was some discussion on the relationship between solar impacts and surface storms in the item here

Much of the data we have implies that there is some connection, though the precise mechanism is far from clear. Some data may be viewed here https://howtheatmosphereworks.wordpress.com/about/solar-activity-and-surface-climate/storm-analysis/

The present circumstances would indicate that there has been little or no solar interaction this year, although there was some "Ap" spiking around 31st August/1st Sept it does not appear to have resulted in any identifiable surface interaction.

Very much an ongoing area of research.

In the item here

There was discussion on the Thermosphere Climate Index and Russell-Macpherron effect - best guess in this direction is we should see around 4.9 around 30th October and 2.1 near end of December - but that is inviting all kinds of hassle !

[oemSpace]

I would like to the process from CME to geomagnetic storm, which rapidly change the magnetic field on Earth's surface.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how each process works on each stage?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

 

[The Atmosphere Guy]

That’s a very important question; a point often forgotten is that the existence of a sunspot does not necessarily imply the existence of any earthly impact or influence. Equally, the absence of sunspots does not imply the absence of incoming material – or geomagnetic storms.

It is for this reason that the “Kp”/”Ap” data is so important as that records actual geomagnetic influences. Using the Ap data we can often see and relate it to a terrestrial response that would not otherwise be evident when related to “spot” data.

Study of the “Ap” activity is recommended. Good source of recorded data is available Here :

http://eng.sepc.ac.cn/ApIndex.php  and here http://eng.sepc.ac.cn/ApForecast.php

 Unfortunately, SWPC/NOAA not longer record "Ap" progression data.

[Christopher S.]

7 minutes ago, The Atmosphere Guy said:

Unfortunately, SWPC/NOAA not longer record "Ap" progression data.

That information can be found at http://www.solen.info/solar/ - It is part of Alvestad's daily updates, where a good bit of notable information is published.

[oemSpace]

1 hour ago, The Atmosphere Guy said:

It is for this reason that the “Kp”/”Ap” data is so important as that records actual geomagnetic influences. Using the Ap data we can often see and relate it to a terrestrial response that would not otherwise be evident when related to “spot” data.

Study of the “Ap” activity is recommended. Good source of recorded data is available Here :

Referring to following link, I would like to know on which forecast is the most suitable for monitoring "Ap" activity.

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/forecasts

[The Atmosphere Guy]

As mentioned above, SWPC/NOAA no longer record historical Ap progression data.

As Christopher S has said Solen.Info do give very good up to date data.

For the historical info including the old SWPC charts try :

 https://howtheatmosphereworks.wordpress.com/ap-index-historical-analysis/ 

 Or if you use the SEPC.ac site you can obtain data from any point in time using the on-site controls. This gives the ability to identify any given historical terrestrial activity and search the Ap data to cross reference and see if there was any corresponding solar impact that may have influenced the event.

Edited September 8, 2020 by The Atmosphere Guy
Clarification.

[oemSpace]

Referring to Solen.Info, I would like to know on which data is related to historical Ap progression data.

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

https://solen.info/solar/index.html

 

[Weather Woman]

On 9/7/2020 at 10:09 AM, oemSpace said:

Recently there are so many solar storm during sept, 2020, and korea gets typhoon as well. I would like to know on how solar storm cause typhoon.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am0j6arF6Gc

As a meteorologist I have recognized numerous connections between solar charged particles interacting with Earth’s magnetic field and the uptick of tropical storms. There were just 2 instances this hurricane season that I recall mentioning during my forecasts. Each time there were launches toward Earth we saw an increase in storms and lightning.

However, this year was a mellow one compared to years past where we were not undergoing magnetic field reversals. Maybe the new solar cycle is playing a role in lessening the intensification and plasma ejections. There is so much I am learning on this topic as I continue my education at Millersville for Space Weather. I’d love to continue these specific conversations in order to develop more accurate long range forecasting models and methods. Any other input and conversations are welcome by me.
As I read newer studies I am planning to produce videos to share with the general public.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=solar+charged+particles+protons+causing+storms+on+earth+tropical#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3D8QAheY9LPngJ

 

[Maxime Fiset]

19 hours ago, Weather Woman said:

As a meteorologist I have recognized numerous connections between solar charged particles interacting with Earth’s magnetic field and the uptick of tropical storms. There were just 2 instances this hurricane season that I recall mentioning during my forecasts. Each time there were launches toward Earth we saw an increase in storms and lightning.

However, this year was a mellow one compared to years past where we were not undergoing magnetic field reversals. Maybe the new solar cycle is playing a role in lessening the intensification and plasma ejections. There is so much I am learning on this topic as I continue my education at Millersville for Space Weather. I’d love to continue these specific conversations in order to develop more accurate long range forecasting models and methods. Any other input and conversations are welcome by me.
As I read newer studies I am planning to produce videos to share with the general public.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=solar+charged+particles+protons+causing+storms+on+earth+tropical#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3D8QAheY9LPngJ

 

To be clear, when you mean launches, what are you refering to? CMEs?

[oemSpace]

I would like to know on how much energy of geomagnetic storms hit on earth surface in order to cause any significant impact.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

 

[Christopher S.]

5 hours ago, oemSpace said:

I would like to know on how much energy of geomagnetic storms hit on earth surface in order to cause any significant impact.

This is a figure of data that is difficult to measure with any meaningful accuracy. The amount of surface area required to build a net or detector that can pick up near 100% of an influx of a specific aspect of the energy received on Earth from a CME and the resultant geomagnetic storm is impractical and implausible to build. We can only estimate a number representing the amount of energy, and I personally leave that to mathematicians to figure out. However, it would take a collaboration study between mathematicians, physicists, and potentially other specialists to give you a meaningful figure for energy received at the surface.

As I described before, there is the electrical field effect that causes induction in vulnerable circuitry. The rest of the energy is likely radioactive isotopes. Neither of these are intrinsically linked to the processes of terrestrial, meteorological events.

[oemSpace]

                           
Referring to following information, I would like to know on whether Kp index is suitable to measure coming geomagnetic activity on Earth surface or not.

Based on forecast, is geomagnetic activity k4 expected to impact Earth's surface around [21-00 UT] on 24 Sep?

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

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A. NOAA Geomagnetic Activity Observation and Forecast

The greatest observed 3 hr Kp over the past 24 hours was 3 (below NOAA
Scale levels).
The greatest expected 3 hr Kp for Sep 23-Sep 25 2020 is 4 (below NOAA
Scale levels).

NOAA Kp index breakdown Sep 23-Sep 25 2020

            Sep 23     Sep 24     Sep 25
00-03UT        2          3          4     
03-06UT        2          3          3     
06-09UT        2          2          3     
09-12UT        2          2          3     
12-15UT        2          2          3     
15-18UT        2          2          3     
18-21UT        3          3          3     
21-00UT        3          4          3     

https://services.swpc.noaa.gov/text/3-day-forecast.txt

 

[Christopher S.]

Kp index is suitable for measuring geomagnetic activity at any given time, as an average rather than for a specific area. The geomagnetic field stretches far from the surface, so to briefly answer your question, no it is not a good metric. I have already answered this question earlier.

On 9/17/2020 at 2:23 PM, Christopher S. said:

This is a figure of data that is difficult to measure with any meaningful accuracy. The amount of surface area required to build a net or detector that can pick up near 100% of an influx of a specific aspect of the energy received on Earth from a CME and the resultant geomagnetic storm is impractical and implausible to build. We can only estimate a number representing the amount of energy, and I personally leave that to mathematicians to figure out. However, it would take a collaboration study between mathematicians, physicists, and potentially other specialists to give you a meaningful figure for energy received at the surface.

As I described before, there is the electrical field effect that causes induction in vulnerable circuitry. The rest of the energy is likely radioactive isotopes. Neither of these are intrinsically linked to the processes of terrestrial, meteorological events.

Read this again, I guess.

[oemSpace]

Without actually doing experiment to setup detector and picking up influx of a specific aspect of the energy received on Earth, it seems that Kp index is most suitable for measuring geomagnetic activity at any given time, as an average rather than for a specific area.

Therefore, Kp index data is the best information to be used without setting up any equipment by myself, would it be correct?

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by oemSpace

[Christopher S.]

9 hours ago, oemSpace said:

Without actually doing experiment to setup detector and picking up influx of a specific aspect of the energy received on Earth, it seems that Kp index is most suitable for measuring geomagnetic activity at any given time, as an average rather than for a specific area.

Therefore, Kp index data is the best information to be used without setting up any equipment by myself, would it be correct?

I don't recommend using Kp index data to measure surface impact of geomagnetic fluctuations, because our measurements - while taken from instruments on the surface - do not accurately depict other aspects of space weather influences. 

The most simple summary I can give you is that terrestrial weather is not magnetic and therefore is not affected directly by geomagnetic fluctuations. The atmospheric interactions with space weather occur primarily at a distance well above the stratosphere(>80km) whereas tropical storm development(i.e. typhoons) is an interaction between sea surface temperatures and the troposphere above it, negatively affected by stratospheric disturbances(i.e. the atmosphere must be a low pressure region for cyclogenesis to occur.) It is therefore not suitable to find a relationship between tropical systems and space weather merely by examining the Kp index, as a direct relationship is not yet established.

[oemSpace]

Thanks, to everyone very much for suggestions (^v^)

Edited September 24, 2020 by oemSpace

[oemSpace]

 

On 9/24/2020 at 7:05 AM, Christopher S. said:

The most simple summary I can give you is that terrestrial weather is not magnetic and therefore is not affected directly by geomagnetic fluctuations.

At 2:00, there was a documentary on how solar storm reached on Earth surface.

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

 

 

[Christopher S.]

I've said all there is to be said on the topic. You can research in what ways a geomagnetic event translates to events on the surface, i.e. geomagnetic fluctuations violent enough to generate electric current in exposed power circuits or power grids. This is not a direct surface "impact", the language is more bombastic than it needs to be. Electricity is not a factor of tropical system formation. You have the information you need and seem to be looking at almost any other non-critical detail of solar storms due to confirmation bias.