So mostly was contained....

42 minutes ago, MinYoongi said:

i agree

It is interesting that since 7/13 I have noticed that it seems like a lot of the eruptions have been mostly contained by the sun. This is just my unprofessional assessment but it seems like the sun is holding a lot of these back and I don't understand the mechanics of it but I think it is confusing a lot of us when we see dimming that usually denote a big cme. I wonder if the magnetic field of the sun can become more contained as solar maximum progresses but I have no idea, just interesting that we aren't seeing the level of cme eruption that would normally occur with the amount of dimming we have noticed. Definitely a learning experience for me !

31 minutes ago, Cokelley said:

It is interesting that since 7/13 I have noticed that it seems like a lot of the eruptions have been mostly contained by the sun. This is just my unprofessional assessment but it seems like the sun is holding a lot of these back and I don't understand the mechanics of it but I think it is confusing a lot of us when we see dimming that usually denote a big cme. I wonder if the magnetic field of the sun can become more contained as solar maximum progresses but I have no idea, just interesting that we aren't seeing the level of cme eruption that would normally occur with the amount of dimming we have noticed. Definitely a learning experience for me !

Magnetic caging. As I understand it the magnetic field lines in the area are so strong that when a CME is released most of the ejecta is caught in nearby field lines where it then gets channeled back down to the surface.

EDIT: Much better explanation:

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/sdo/nasas-sdo-reveals-how-magnetic-cage-on-the-sun-stopped-solar-eruption/

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by cgrant26

1 hour ago, Jesterface23 said:

2 CMEs launched from this, but they both seem fairly slow.

Where? I only see 1 ? Seem very slow unless it’s directly at us but then it would be a full halo . Looks too west for that

49 minutes ago, Cokelley said:

It is interesting that since 7/13 I have noticed that it seems like a lot of the eruptions have been mostly contained by the sun. This is just my unprofessional assessment but it seems like the sun is holding a lot of these back and I don't understand the mechanics of it but I think it is confusing a lot of us when we see dimming that usually denote a big cme. I wonder if the magnetic field of the sun can become more contained as solar maximum progresses but I have no idea, just interesting that we aren't seeing the level of cme eruption that would normally occur with the amount of dimming we have noticed. Definitely a learning experience for me !

I think that the sun will let go of all that potential energy in one go soon... Another geomagnetic storm?

1 hour ago, MinYoongi said:

i agree

Not much potential for an Earth-directed CME then... 😥

55 minutes ago, Cokelley said:

It is interesting that since 7/13 I have noticed that it seems like a lot of the eruptions have been mostly contained by the sun. This is just my unprofessional assessment but it seems like the sun is holding a lot of these back and I don't understand the mechanics of it but I think it is confusing a lot of us when we see dimming that usually denote a big cme. I wonder if the magnetic field of the sun can become more contained as solar maximum progresses but I have no idea, just interesting that we aren't seeing the level of cme eruption that would normally occur with the amount of dimming we have noticed. Definitely a learning experience for me !

Why does dimming effect if a CME occurs?

28 minutes ago, cgrant26 said:

Magnetic caging. As I understand it the magnetic field lines in the area are so strong that when a CME is released most of the ejecta is caught in nearby field lines where it then gets channeled back down to the surface.

EDIT: Much better explanation:

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/sdo/nasas-sdo-reveals-how-magnetic-cage-on-the-sun-stopped-solar-eruption/

Thanks for explaining, do you know how strong the flare has to be to break the magnetic caging?

1 hour ago, Manuel said:

So mostly was contained....

Yes, looks like it, sadly...

41 minutes ago, cgrant26 said:

Magnetic caging. As I understand it the magnetic field lines in the area are so strong that when a CME is released most of the ejecta is caught in nearby field lines where it then gets channeled back down to the surface.

EDIT: Much better explanation:

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/sdo/nasas-sdo-reveals-how-magnetic-cage-on-the-sun-stopped-solar-eruption/

Very cool.  Pretty sure @Justanerdand perhaps @Parabolic would be interested in that link! 

38 minutes ago, Prizma1227 said:

Where? I only see 1 ? Seem very slow unless it’s directly at us but then it would be a full halo . Looks too west for that

The first CME was very dull, but about half a halo is visible in the southern part of SA's coronagraph differenced imagery.

The second CME was launched west to west-southwest relative to SOHO and SA's position, first visible in SOHO's C2 imagery at 08:12Z.

2 minutes ago, Jesterface23 said:

The first CME was very dull, but about half a halo is visible in the southern part of SA's coronagraph differenced imagery.

The second CME was launched west to west-southwest relative to SOHO and SA's position, first visible in SOHO's C2 imagery at 08:12Z.

Could you send me a picture of them? That'll be helpful. Thanks!

1 hour ago, Manuel said:

So mostly was contained....

If you look at suvi and view 304aia at 7:20utc you can see the flux rope leave the suns surface. Not contained just not very eruptive.

16 minutes ago, Zhe Yu said:

Could you send me a picture of them? That'll be helpful. Thanks!

These are it. There pretty much isn't a better image with both CMEs in it.

Hello. So, is the prediction in WSA-Enlil about this cme?

9 minutes ago, Sunlive123 said:

Very BUSY DAY and its only afternoon !  PROTON STORM (slow speed) EVERYWHERE

http://spaceweather.gmu.edu/seeds/dailymkmovie.php?cme=20240717&r

 

 

 

 

 

Protons are currently well below storm level.

1 hour ago, Jesterface23 said:

These are it. There pretty much isn't a better image with both CMEs in it.

Thanks 👍 

21 minutes ago, Sunlive123 said:

Very BUSY DAY and its only afternoon !  PROTON STORM (slow speed) EVERYWHERE

http://spaceweather.gmu.edu/seeds/dailymkmovie.php?cme=20240717&r

 

 

 

 

 

The proton storm level is very low currently 

35 minutes ago, Sunlive123 said:

Very BUSY DAY and its only afternoon !  PROTON STORM (slow speed) EVERYWHERE

http://spaceweather.gmu.edu/seeds/dailymkmovie.php?cme=20240717&r

 

 

 

 

 

So tired of this misinformant - do you know what a proton storm even is?? Here we refer to it as an SPE - solar proton event. NASA calls it a Solar Radiation Storm and they have special charts and warnings for them  - we use them when we aren’t certain what the status of an SPE is - we don’t assume that a temporary rise in solar flux unit (sfu) resulting from a solar flare indicates an SPE is incoming or even likely. We also differentiate between solar protons and background solar flux - also referred to as 10.7cm Radio Flux. 
I don’t know if it’s a communication breakdown with you or if your translator application is making you look foolish, or if you’re just trolling every member of this forum for grins and giggles - but whatever it is - please - we are all begging you to STOP DESTROYING THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT ON THIS FORUM AND STOP SPREADING HYPE AND MISINFORMATION!!

THANK YOU!

 

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by Justanerd

AR 3743 is now a β-γ class region, and it's spot class is EAI. Sunspots page hasn't fully been updated yet but the solar activity (real time) page has.

4 minutes ago, Justanerd said:

So tired of this misinformant - do you know what a proton storm even is?? Here we refer to it as an SPE - solar proton event. NASA calls it a Solar Radiation Storm and they have special charts and warnings for them  - we use them when we aren’t certain what the status of an SPE is - we don’t assume that a temporary rise in solar flux unit (sfu) resulting from a solar flare indicates an SPE is incoming or even likely. We also differentiate between solar protons and background solar flux - also referred to as 10.7cm Radio Flux. 
I don’t know if it’s a communication breakdown with you or if your translator application is making you look foolish but whatever it is - please - we are all begging you to STOP DESTROYING THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT ON THIS FORUM AND STOP SPREADING HYPE AND MISINFORMATION!!

THANK YOU!

 

I have to agree with @Justanerd I am pretty enthusiastic about spaceweather myself.  Probably as much or more than most. However it is disconcerting to read unjustified hype here IMO.  

1 uur terug, Sunlive123 zei:

Very BUSY DAY and its only afternoon !  PROTON STORM (slow speed) EVERYWHERE

http://spaceweather.gmu.edu/seeds/dailymkmovie.php?cme=20240717&r

 

 

 

 

 

Do you know the difference between a proton storm and a CME? 

41 minuten geleden, Justanerd zei:

So tired of this misinformant - do you know what a proton storm even is?? Here we refer to it as an SPE - solar proton event. NASA calls it a Solar Radiation Storm and they have special charts and warnings for them  - we use them when we aren’t certain what the status of an SPE is - we don’t assume that a temporary rise in solar flux unit (sfu) resulting from a solar flare indicates an SPE is incoming or even likely. We also differentiate between solar protons and background solar flux - also referred to as 10.7cm Radio Flux. 
I don’t know if it’s a communication breakdown with you or if your translator application is making you look foolish, or if you’re just trolling every member of this forum for grins and giggles - but whatever it is - please - we are all begging you to STOP DESTROYING THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT ON THIS FORUM AND STOP SPREADING HYPE AND MISINFORMATION!!

THANK YOU!

 

EDIT: Sorry justanerd I didn't see your post. I'm on a horrible internet connection at the moment. Well said. I hope this user just does not know the difference and is willing to learn... because some of your posts Sunlive are borderline misleading at the moment

All his posts are misleading, feeling like he is just trolling! I don't get why though, we're just here to learn a lot of cool stuff about space weather, there's no need to spread misinformation! And is also useless cause we're all here cause we know something about it! So stop it! Thanks

If normally calm and generally good-humoured members are irritated at your posts @Sunlive123 y’all should pay attention, chill out and THINK before ya post.     Mike 

2 hours ago, Sunlive123 said:

Very BUSY DAY and its only afternoon !  PROTON STORM (slow speed) EVERYWHERE

http://spaceweather.gmu.edu/seeds/dailymkmovie.php?cme=20240717&r

 

 

 

 

 

Im a nice human.

Stop making me wanna insult you.

 

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by MinYoongi

35 minutes ago, MinYoongi said:

Im a nice human.

Stop making me wanna insult you.

 

Well said, CMEs and Proton Storms are totally different - please stop misleading others Sunlive... Thank you.

Edited July 17, 20241 yr by Zhe Yu
Hit the button too early

3 hours ago, Jesterface23 said:

These are it. There pretty much isn't a better image with both CMEs in it.

what impact do you expect? KP/G wise.

2 minutes ago, MinYoongi said:

what impact do you expect? KP/G wise.

That's true 

 

9 minutes ago, MinYoongi said:

what impact do you expect? KP/G wise.

 pessimistically kp3, optimistically G2 depending on the Bz and other factors, but I'm no expert on this matter.

A flare coming - it seems like it is from this region but too early to tell from AIA 131 - looks like a hopeful big one!

It's hit M1.24 now, seems to be slowing down in gradient