Cokelley Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, MinYoongi said: 1. Flare strength does not directly correlate to CME size/speed etc. 2. Farsided, not from the M Class flare Coincidence I do appreciate your insight and you could be totally right but it is not scientific to make statements of fact even before the experts have completely understood what has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 6 minutes ago, Cokelley said: I do appreciate your insight and you could be totally right but it is not scientific to make statements of fact even before the experts have completely understood what has happened. Doesn't take an expert to know that the recent CME indeed was farsided. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cokelley Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 This region is up to 1100 MH now, pretty cool !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunlive123 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, Х-ray said: It's getting so huge! Why does it seem to me that he can fulfill our dream of the X when he comes to the eastern limb? Maybe June 20-22? Please find enclosed video of the second flare this morning ! Its not a joke ! https://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/media/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_240617_041338_5763/www/EDS_FlareDetective-TriggerModule_20240617T104046-20240617T105022_AIA_171_XCEN192.0YCEN-422.4_ssw_cutout_20240617_104046_AIA_171__20240617_104045_m.mp4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cokelley Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Sunlive123 said: Please find enclosed video of the second flare this morning ! Its not a joke ! https://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/media/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_240617_041338_5763/www/EDS_FlareDetective-TriggerModule_20240617T104046-20240617T105022_AIA_171_XCEN192.0YCEN-422.4_ssw_cutout_20240617_104046_AIA_171__20240617_104045_m.mp4 I can't say for sure because I am not a scientist but that definitely looks like an ejection ! So cool !!! 4 hours ago, mozy said: No CME with the recent M1 flare indeed. In all humility, what is this in that case? https://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/media/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_240617_041338_5763/www/EDS_FlareDetective-TriggerModule_20240617T104046-20240617T105022_AIA_171_XCEN192.0YCEN-422.4_ssw_cutout_20240617_104046_AIA_171__20240617_104045_m.mp4 Edited June 17 by Cokelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isatsuki San Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 21 minutes ago, Cokelley said: No puedo decirlo con certeza porque no soy un científico, ¡pero eso definitivamente parece una expulsión! Muy guay !!! Con toda humildad, ¿qué es esto en ese caso? https://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/media/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_240617_041338_5763/www/EDS_FlareDetective-TriggerModule_20240617T104046-20240617T105022_AIA_171_XCEN19 2.0YCEN-422.4_ssw_cutout_20240617_104046_AIA_171__20240617_104045_m.mp4 Well there are few times where an impulsive solar flare, from a cme, Although I don't know if it's called a cme, although sometimes that indicates that I got a cme, but a faint halo appears on the lasco, so it could be that one that came out of the second flare. Try to scratch how it will look, because it is difficult to notice it at first glance, maybe this is the cme, it seems weak, I don't know if it was the other one I said, but this one appeared after another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinYoongi Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Have you all not seen the video of the *farside* dimming i posted.. just asking. 🗯️ I know I'm not an Expert nor a Scientist, but its not like I dont back up what I'm saying with Data that supports it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunlive123 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, Cokelley said: This region is up to 1100 MH now, pretty cool !! Double CME at 8 and 11 Am just after the 2 flares of 3712. Maybe interconnexion with old 3664 (very strange) http://spaceweather.gmu.edu/seeds/dailymkmovie.php?cme=20240617&r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philalethes Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Also, as Misaka posted here, there was an X-flare detected by SolO on the far side right before the second CME became visible, so it's definitely a farside eruption. Here's the STIX data: And the estimated location: Given where SolO is a region around there should become visible in not too long, but I'm not sure how precise the flare location product is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cokelley Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) None of these explanations need to be mutually exclusive, as we are all doing our best guess work with multiple factors right now. But to stay on topic with AR 3712 here: What is this video showing at about 1045 utc.... any thoughts on this apparent flux rope coming from AR3712? ( which is the topic of this thread) - honestly asking for educational purposes - and yes I know it did not cause the halo https://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/media/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_240617_041338_5763/www/EDS_FlareDetective-TriggerModule_20240617T104046-20240617T105022_AIA_171_XCEN192.0YCEN-422.4_ssw_cutout_20240617_104046_AIA_171__20240617_104045_m.mp4 *tagged because I value your opinion on this specific subject @Jesterface23 @MinYoongi @mozy @Misaka @Moriah Contreras Edited June 17 by Cokelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunlive123 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, Cokelley said: But to stay on topic with AR 3712 here: What is this video showing at about 1045 utc.... any thoughts on this apparent flux rope coming from AR3617? ( which is the topic of this thread) https://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/media/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_240617_041338_5763/www/EDS_FlareDetective-TriggerModule_20240617T104046-20240617T105022_AIA_171_XCEN192.0YCEN-422.4_ssw_cutout_20240617_104046_AIA_171__20240617_104045_m.mp4 @Jesterface23 @MinYoongi @mozy @Misaka @Moriah Contreras I add this link where you can watch the last 48 hours of 3712 ! Magnetism and maybe interconnexion with other flares are just crazy ! https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/latest48.php?q=0131 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philalethes Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 31 minutes ago, Cokelley said: What is this video showing at about 1045 utc... Looks like a cute little jet if you ask me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cokelley Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, Philalethes said: Looks like a cute little jet if you ask me. Awesome ! What is the difference between a jet and a flux rope? Also probably for another topic but why does something have to be a 'Big deal" in order to be taken seriously for discussion? A lot of us are on here to learn about these things in what we hope is a helpful and fair environment of enthusiasts. I realize the eruption didn't cause the halo CME but I would like to learn more about this active region ar 3712 that is currently facing us and how sun events work in general. It is interesting that so many want to downplay 'small' events, and the enthusiasm of those that are learning with quick dismissals when all of this could be a learning experience. It is ironic if you don't want people to get excited about small events so they are not blown out of proportion, yet we only focus and give serious attention to the idea of 'big deals' on here which are inherently few and far between. Small events happen all the time and can educate those that are open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Philalethes Posted June 17 Popular Post Share Posted June 17 (edited) 36 minutes ago, MinYoongi said: Yeah, that's definitely this one. More noticeable in the differenced imagery, but doesn't look like much ejecta made it out, if any. Can't say I can distinguish any part of the ejecta visible in LASCO from this rather than from the farside eruptions at least. 36 minutes ago, Cokelley said: Awesome ! What is the difference between a jet and a flux rope? I'm not sure it actually was a jet strictly speaking, but it's a very similar phenomenon, it's what ejections often end up being at fairly low energy levels. See e.g. here: Quote While the energy involved in a jet-like event is smaller than that of “nominal” solar flares and Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs), jets share many common properties with these major phenomena, in particular, the explosive magnetically driven dynamics. Studies of jets could, therefore, provide critical insight for understanding the larger, more complex drivers of the solar activity. On the other side of the size-spectrum, the study of jets could also supply important clues on the physics of transients close or at the limit of the current spatial resolution such as spicules. It's a bit like a mini-CME; in fact, in the same paper it's described thus: Quote A few (5/79) of the observed jets in the Nisticò et al. (2009) sample had the appearance of a “micro-CME”, i.e., contained a small loop that eventually erupted while straightening giving rise to a jet-like appearance (see also Moore et al., 2010, who termed them blow-out jets). And to drive the point home about how we're just talking about similar phenomena at different sizes: Quote All these findings suggest that the blow-out jets have significant similarities with the larger-scale CMEs and hint at a scale-invariant eruptive solar phenomenon. As for flux ropes, jets also start out in the same way based on what's been found, with the twisting of the field lines into a flux rope that then gets launched, but in jets you typically see this flux rope reconnect with the surrounding field and "untwist" again, which as far as I have seen is probably why they look more like singular strands than preserving the looping flux rope structure. This is also described in the same paper: Quote 5.2.2. Untwisting Motion of Jet Helical Structure Patsourakos et al. (2008) successfully reconstructed a coronal jet in 3D using near-simultaneous observations from the STEREO twin spacecraft. They unambiguously showed the helical structure of the jet, which was later confirmed through 3D-MHD simulations by Pariat et al. (2009). Nisticò et al. (2009) carried out a morphological analysis of 79 jets observed by STEREO. They found that 31 jets showed helical structures. This studies confirm that helical jets are common and that untwisting motions may also be an important properties of a significant class of jets. So in short, in this case it might be something in between, maybe a small CME; can't make out any part of the ejecta visible in LASCO that would be from this though, as at least the first two significant eruptions are from the far side. 36 minutes ago, Cokelley said: why does something have to be a 'Big deal" in order to be taken seriously for discussion? A lot of us are on here to learn about these things in what we hope is a helpful and fair environment of enthusiasts. I realize the eruption didn't cause the halo CME but I would like to learn more about this active region ar 3712 that is currently facing us and how sun events work in general. It is interesting that so many want to downplay 'small' events, and the enthusiasm of those that are learning with quick dismissals when all of this could be a learning experience. I don't really think this is the case, and I think it's great to retain a certain level of enthusiasm even for smaller happenings, but I guess it's more that people who have been watching for a while tend to care a bit less about smaller events, which I think is only natural. I think the recent comments in this thread was more to stress that this relatively small eruption was not responsible for the big CMEs we saw in the imagery, since there seemed to be some insistence on it, but I don't think it was meant to scorn any enthusiasm or curiosity about the smaller event itself. 36 minutes ago, Cokelley said: It is ironic if you don't want people to get excited about small events so they are not blown out of proportion, yet we only focus and give serious attention to the idea of 'big deals' on here which are inherently few and far between. Small events happen all the time and can educate those that are open. Well, there is a middle ground too of course, as there are a lot of "medium" events or happenings that get some attention for being cool and exciting, like e.g. the large filament that snapped a few days ago; but personally I don't mind enthusiasm or curiosity about smaller events at all. Edited June 17 by Philalethes typo, formatting 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinYoongi Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 @Cokelley as Philaletes already mentioned, I did not mean to dim newer users fun about "small" events. I'm happy about small and big things I just had the feeling lately some People in the Forum (not you) insist on knowing everything better and acting like everyone that disagrees with them is talking nonsense so i might opted to be a bit overprotective. No hate towards you or anyone happy and excited about all the cool stuff! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinYoongi Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 flare right now At least i think its from here. Already M Class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 minutes ago, MinYoongi said: flare right now At least i think its from here. Already M Class. Could it be another spot? The more eastern spot looks shinier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinYoongi Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, Yani said: Could it be another spot? The more eastern spot looks shinier youre right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealVanille Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Yeah I think thats AR 3711 or near that but its soo unlikely and it seems to have a small 2. peak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronical Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 What is this region trying to do now… Please surprise us 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnitis Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, chronical said: What is this region trying to do now… Please surprise us 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 A little birdie told me it’s building up to release an X flare…in approximately 35 hours, 22 minutes, and 44 seconds 🙏 Edited June 18 by Saturnitis 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingolf Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Saturnitis said: A little birdie told me it’s building up to release an X flare…in approximately 35 hours, 22 minutes, and 44 seconds 🙏 Be careful with predictions like this, I remember a guy doing the same when he was new to the forum and let me say so... His joke was not very welcome 🤣 (for reasons) (even when he was right in the end) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamateur 1953 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 11 hours ago, Sunlive123 said: I add this link where you can watch the last 48 hours of 3712 ! Magnetism and maybe interconnexion with other flares are just crazy ! https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/latest48.php?q=0131 I too prefer this wavelength ( 131 angstroms). Frequently we will see a region “ spitting” prior to a larger event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenmaster Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 starkes Wachstum in den letzten Stunden, wie entwickeln sich die Magnetfelder? Da muss doch jetzt mal was in Bewegung kommen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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