everything seems a bit unstable today, hopefully building up to something big.

i can shamefully say i am now addicted to watching the GOES Xray flux 6 hour chart all day and getting excited every time it goes up sharply.... so far it has been nothing but disappointment today. 

another sharp rise just now into almost and M class but petering off now. 

1 hour ago, MinYoongi said:

People are speaking about it here and in the incoming region thread ? It’s a normal region rotating around the limb what is the buzz about? Lol

Ok its normal the little red riding hood ! Your comment is mocking ! But dont worry i know what is coming...

 

2 minutes ago, Mangue123 said:

Ok its normal the little red riding hood ! Your comment is mocking ! But dont worry i know what is coming...

 

youre asking an awful lot for someone who "knows whats coming"

1 hour ago, hamateur 1953 said:

From solar soft. Not oriented pictorially as I usually view stuff, and typically I am usually interested in the Shorter wavelengths like 131 typically. 
But without knowing more I don’t feel comfortable commenting on that region other than the flashes are very cool!  It isn’t uncommon here to be a bit pessimistic about regions on the limb btw.  Earlier this cycle we had a huge number of disappointments.  The region looked great then three days later we see a dying region instead of an actively growing one.  This happens occasionally. 

Thanks for answering ! disappointments i dont think . Polar area and Pacific  had strong and long sun eruption impact.

The light of Sun is very strong nowadays. 3679 was increasing when going other side of Sun. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Prizma1227 said:

everything seems a bit unstable today, hopefully building up to something big.

so far it has been nothing but disappointment today. 

another sharp rise just now into almost and M class but petering off now. 

Hi

South part of the Sun is very high . But strong cme are in far side part at this day.

An M4.0 solar flare was just detected new sunspot region 3709 at 09:13 UTC (Jun 7). This is likely the return of old AR 3679 last seen on May 25th.

So the forecast if far side Sun was right ! 

1 hour ago, Mangue123 said:

Ok its normal the little red riding hood ! Your comment is mocking ! But dont worry i know what is coming...

 

Then what's coming? If you know everything? People are talking about it.

1 hour ago, jessie said:

Then what's coming? If you know everything? People are talking about it.

Maybe have a look on the past of the earth 🤔. People have lost memory. 

23 minutes ago, Mangue123 said:

Maybe have a look on the past of the earth 🤔. People have lost memory. 

So nothing. Why can no one ever just give an answer

33 minutes ago, Mangue123 said:

Maybe have a look on the past of the earth 🤔. People have lost memory. 

It would be nice if you'd elaborate your point.

 

6 hours ago, Mangue123 said:

BECAUSE NOBODY SPEAKS ABOUT THIS AREA

While it's true that the incoming region is still active, I don't see any reason why it would be more relevant than any of the countless regions before. In fact, the helioseismic images show nothing out of the ordinary. But you seem somewhat excited over it, so it would be interesting to know why exactly.

1 hour ago, Mangue123 said:

Maybe have a look on the past of the earth 🤔. People have lost memory. 

If you consider anything about past space weather, this statement holds no ground. The sun does whatever it feels like, the only rhyme and reason is solar maxes and minimums and even that varies significantly every time.

Edited June 7, 20241 yr by Tomo

1 hour ago, Mangue123 said:

Maybe have a look on the past of the earth 🤔. People have lost memory. 

Yes. You are correct however what you know is coming is as likely to arrive in 500 years as it is in 5 years or next month or any other time. 

26 minutes ago, Hadeweka said:

You seem somewhat excited over it, so it would be interesting to know why exactly.

https://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/ssw_client/data/suvi_els/suvi_dsp2sw_171_els_xrs_m.mp4

WE dont see all area but hidden cme from this area last days.

3 hours After M4 the area is still on fire.

Strong invisible Impact of Magnetic field + SO2 volcano effect on X Ray Sun.

Since 1 year strong cme in hidden part or east/west limb. Except 3703 and OLD 3679 all areas are decreasing fast. 

Just wait. Have a good day.

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, WhereingtonEvent said:

Oui. Vous avez raison, mais ce que vous savez arriver est aussi susceptible d'arriver dans 500 ans que dans 5 ans, le mois prochain ou à tout autre moment. 

Hi. Thanks for answering.

Please have a look on earthquake in Italia, indonesia, New Zealand, Mexico, ni aragua, Costa rica, azores, papa New guinea, turkey, California, Japon, philipinas.

Have a good day.

 

2 minutes ago, Mangue123 said:

Strong invisible Impact of Magnetic field + SO2 volcano effect on X Ray Sun.

Since 1 year strong cme in hidden part or east/west limb.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you want to express with these two sentences.

What do you mean by SO2? Surely not sulfur dioxide, as that has nothing to do with sunspots.

And I don't really understand what you want to say with the second sentence at all. Are you indicating that something always triggers CMEs when sunspots approach the eastern or western limbs?

5 hours ago, Mangue123 said:

Ok its normal the little red riding hood ! Your comment is mocking ! But dont worry i know what is coming...

 

What is it with people looking for conflict in these forums recently? Not every response is an insult or mockery! You have something you want to share fine, but don't assume that just because someone doesn't share your enthusiasm in their response that they're being rude. 🙄

On a more positive note, the fact that a month ago I got to see the aurora from my own back garden for what is possibly the only time in my life, I would certainly find it exciting if this region proved to be as active and prolific as 3664 was. 🙂

3 hours ago, Mangue123 said:

An M4.0 solar flare was just detected new sunspot region 3709 at 09:13 UTC (Jun 7). This is likely the return of old AR 3679 last seen on May 25th.

Where did you get that from? Old region 3679 (unless something new formed) is only just now starting to come over the limb. Region 3709 is brand new to us forming on the far side.

2 minutes ago, Hadeweka said:

What do you mean by SO2? Surely not sulfur dioxide, as that has nothing to do with sunspots.

And I don't really understand what you want to say with the second sentence at all. Are you indicating that something always triggers CMEs when sunspots approach the eastern or western limbs?

Sorry too difficult to explain in english language. 

Yes when you have SO2 of volcano ( have a look in philipinas and iceland ) and sunspots in the same  time you have a strong impact on earth ozone layer.

About Sun activity yes you have since 1 year activity in the same time in west and east limb. I see that 3 Times. Scientifics of the Sun are very surprised and dont know why its happening...

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Mangue123 said:

Sorry too difficult to explain in english language. 

Yes when you have SO2 of volcano ( have a look in philipinas and iceland ) and sunspots in the same  time you have a strong impact on earth ozone layer.

About Sun activity yes you have since 1 year activity in the same time in west and east limb. I see that 3 Times. Scientifics of the Sun are very surprised and dont know why its happening...

 

 

 

 

Ahh Ok, I think I get what you're trying to explain. Not necessarily literally SO2 above the Sun but a similar behaviour in regards to when a volcano is about to erupt but applied to sunspot activity instead? Would this be correct?

Edited June 7, 20241 yr by Gojira Prime
typo

13 minutes ago, Mangue123 said:

Sorry too difficult to explain in english language. 

Yes when you have SO2 of volcano ( have a look in philipinas and iceland ) and sunspots in the same  time you have a strong impact on earth ozone layer.

About Sun activity yes you have since 1 year activity in the same time in west and east limb. I see that 3 Times. Scientifics of the Sun are very surprised and dont know why its happening...

Do you have any source on sunspots and volcanic SO2 explicitely having "a strong impact" on the ozone layer? This sounds to me like an unproven conjecture and not actual established science, but maybe I'm wrong here. I still don't see how the incoming region would be different than any previous ones in that regard, anyway.

You also have to consider that there's an apparent cumulation of flares at high longitudes due to geometrical projection. This will cause the illusion that flares occur mostly there - but there is no actualy cumulation there, since these longitudes are defined completely arbitrarily. Any observer at a random position in solar orbit would experience such an effect.

Edited June 7, 20241 yr by Hadeweka
Clarified the last point a bit

42 minutes ago, Jesterface23 said:

Where did you get that from? Old region 3679 (unless something new formed) is only just now starting to come over the limb. Region 3709 is brand new to us forming on the far side.

solar ham.

8 hours ago, MinYoongi said:

People are speaking about it here and in the incoming region thread ? It’s a normal region rotating around the limb what is the buzz about? Lol

I wasn’t aware Min.  Haha. Thanks.  Was late for me last night.  And I was also more than a little embarrassed by an earlier absolutely ridiculous post I had made regarding radio wave propagation from the rear of the sun.  In an amateur radio group they would have burned me at the stake.   Haha.  
Mike/Hagrid 

2 hours ago, Hadeweka said:

Do you have any source on sunspots and volcanic SO2 explicitely having "a strong impact" on the ozone layer? This sounds to me like an unproven conjecture and not actual established science, but maybe I'm wrong here. I still don't see how the incoming region would be different than any previous ones in that regard, anyway.

 

aerosol effect...

https://meteor.geol.iastate.edu/gcp/studentpapers/1996/atmoschem/huff.html#:~:text=It is known that during,is necessary for ozone production.

 

UV-B radiation emitted from the Sun is almost completely absorbed by the ozone layer in the stratosphere and only a very small fraction reaches below the stratosphere. A dramatic decrease in column ozone (called ozone hole) in Antarctica occurs during the months of spring (Farman et al., 1985). As a result, during these months, UV radiation penetrates into the troposphere. SO₂ is found mostly in the troposphere.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364682607001277

 

Edited June 7, 20241 yr by Mangue123

Ok this is becoming confusing as hell. Are you referring to sunspot activity and its potential effects on the ozone layer around Earth? Or are you trying to apply these effects to the activity around sunspots on the surface of the sun?

I understand that maybe something is getting lost in translation here and two word answers with a link isn't going make things any clearer. So let's break it down so we can understand exactly what you're discussing so we can avoid further confusion and misunderstandings.

42 minutes ago, Mangue123 said:

aerosol effect...

https://meteor.geol.iastate.edu/gcp/studentpapers/1996/atmoschem/huff.html#:~:text=It is known that during,is necessary for ozone production.

 

UV-B radiation emitted from the Sun is almost completely absorbed by the ozone layer in the stratosphere and only a very small fraction reaches below the stratosphere. A dramatic decrease in column ozone (called ozone hole) in Antarctica occurs during the months of spring (Farman et al., 1985). As a result, during these months, UV radiation penetrates into the troposphere. SO₂ is found mostly in the troposphere.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364682607001277

 

Regardless of if this is true, how does this affect events on the sun? It’s not like the earth is going to do anything to the sun. If I drive a car past a pebble and the exhaust fumes hit the pebble, how would my car be affected in any way?

Little reminder folks.  Remember to follow the rules of these forums, particularly:

All discussion of pseudoscience/unproven theories must take place only in the designated thread (https://community.spaceweatherlive.com/topic/2784-unproven-theories/), any discussion of such topics in other places (such as this one) is subject to delation and warnings for doing so.
And that in all discussions you should remain civil and polite (note that there is no "self-defense" clause here, it doesn't matter what anyone else says to you, you must remain civil.

Thanks!

@Mangue123

The reality is though, that no one can seemingly explain why were are currently in a G2 magnetic storm right now as this was not predicted or explained as of yet from what I have seen.