Minor but notable observation(Edit: whoops, arcjet)

[Christopher S.]

This is nothing special, crazy, or new. I don't usually see quakes reflected in magnetograms so blatantly, is all. This serves as an example, if anything, of relationships between activity that is not completely understood, but understood well enough to get by. Still, there is undoubtedly a complete relationship between the Earth and space weather, if space weather's influence can be modulated by quakes somewhat, and/or the influence plays a role in the geomagnetic dynamo. Both things appear to be the case, and perhaps with more equipment we can make more pinpoint measurements of other aspects of seismic and solar activity.

We've already gone way in-depth on this forum about the relationship between solar flares and quakes, and the general outcome was that anything we can guess about it is far too reductive and presumptive. It's a strange relationship, and perhaps distinct characteristics have yet to be discovered about types of quakes, or perhaps even the ratio of influence between typical quake mechanisms and geomagnetic flux/disturbances(even those terms may be reductive). 

No flares don't trigger quakes, at least not in the way that we should be scared of. If an X100 flare and CME smacked Earth we're 99.99% certain it wouldn't cause a quake, especially not proportionate to the size of the flare. Such a notion is fear-driven. Besides that, I want to get away from that conversation entirely, and just implore everyone to take notes about seismic correlation to, specifically, geomagnetic disturbances. I want to find evidence of things only theorized or hypothesized.

Edited December 4, 2021 by Christopher S.

[Sam Warfel]

It’s possible correlation does not equal causation, but it seems distinctly possible. Not in the often-exaggerated sensationalist manner, but in a more modest relationship. 

You want to find evidence of things only hypothesized?  Get data! Either by finding and analyzing other’s, or getting your own. 

Definitely an interesting topic that needs more research. 

[Christopher S.]

Yeah, and it's not necessarily viable to research it for most people who are qualified. Then again, taking notes isn't rocket science, I just want to ask the community personally to pay attention and help me out wherever I'm too busy/tired to do the research myself. Right now, it's been ongoing for about 5 years and I've got almost nothing to show anyone because nothing really good has happened to give me the ideas I need.

[Solarflaretracker200]

6 hours ago, Christopher S. said:

If an X100 flare and CME smacked Earth we're 99.99%

We would all probably be dead

[Jesterface23]

For the example used that was actually from GOES's arcjet thruster for its orbit. There is GOES 17 data as well, https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/goes-magnetometer.

[Drax Spacex]

The firing of GOES arcjet thrusters cause earthquakes.

Q.E.D.

[Archmonoth]

11 hours ago, Christopher S. said:

 It's a strange relationship, and perhaps distinct characteristics have yet to be discovered about types of quakes, or perhaps even the ratio of influence between typical quake mechanisms and geomagnetic flux/disturbances(even those terms may be reductive). 

 

 

The coloration/connection might be in the motion of the objects in the Solar system. 

As we spin around the Sun, our momentum is conserved in an ellipse. That energy could be transferred to pressure in the crust/magma. Solar events might coincide with turns round the Sun, since the Sun also has to conserve its momentum around the Barycenter. This is just another explanation or hypothesis for the strange relationship you notice. This year there was a 1-hour quake on Mars. The other planets were grouped on one side of the Sun, with Mars being on the opposite side. 

NASA's InSight Finds Three Big Marsquakes, Thanks to Solar-Panel Dusting – NASA’s Mars Exploration Program 

Regardless, looking to other planets for the quake/weather relationship might be a place to find data for a comparison. 

 

I agree more testing/study/measurements would provide a clearer vision for the connection/pattern you see. Or they would show there is only a small connection, which your 5 fruitless years of interest might be indicating. 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Archmonoth

[Christopher S.]

What I have latched onto is the apparent stepping-down of geomagnetic energy(in nT) in a way distinct from the spikes that appear in measurements. There is something in the mechanism of seismic activity that I think we've been overlooking, or, have presumed the existence of but not the significance. More on this another time, I only just realized the signature in data is remarkable to this extent.

7 hours ago, Drax Spacex said:

The firing of GOES arcjet thrusters cause earthquakes.

Q.E.D.

Get outta here

12 hours ago, Solarflaretracker200 said:

We would all probably be dead

No. We would be absolutely fine. Maybe don't stand in direct sunlight but otherwise fine.

11 hours ago, Jesterface23 said:

For the example used that was actually from GOES's arcjet thruster for its orbit. There is GOES 17 data as well, https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/goes-magnetometer.

Damn, I didn't even check that. It lined up so absolutely perfectly. To be just a coincidence, that's a shame. They even fired in sync, ugh

7 hours ago, Archmonoth said:

your 5 fruitless years of interest

Do you go out of your way to be a total asshole?

Edited December 4, 2021 by Christopher S.
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[Solarflaretracker200]

4 minutes ago, Christopher S. said:

No. We would be absolutely fine. Maybe don't stand in direct sunlight but otherwise fine.

Oh dang I’m surprised they were wouldn’t be dead lol 

[Christopher S.]

Just now, Solarflaretracker200 said:

Oh dang I’m surprised they were wouldn’t be dead lol 

Radiation is radiation, and we're already pretty well irradiated, so at the end of the day, it's just an inconvenience.

Old power grids would have outages, but then again, old power grids should be retrofit with protections anyways in the event of even localized disturbances(like a thunderstorm)

[Sam Warfel]

Wait, what’s an arcjet and how does it cause earthquakes 😂

[Solarflaretracker200]

arcjet rocket?

Hmm. Didn’t know a rocket could create an earthquake 

I need to shut Up I’m being too sarcastic today. Bye weirdos for now

[Christopher S.]

To be fair, it would be hilarious if the arcjet actually caused the quake because it never has before, AFAIK. Where's my Nobel Prize for this discovery!?

[Sam Warfel]

1 minute ago, Christopher S. said:

To be fair, it would be hilarious if the arcjet actually caused the quake because it never has before, AFAIK. Where's my Nobel Prize for this discovery!?

Ok so, the edit in the title is a meme?

[Christopher S.]

48 minutes ago, Orneno said:

Ok so, the edit in the title is a meme?

No? I actually missed the coincidental arcjet, so my premise was moot. The edit is for clarification, because invariably I've failed to deliver the expectations upon clicking into this discussion due to this mistake.

[Archmonoth]

On 12/2/2021 at 11:01 PM, Christopher S. said:

 Right now, it's been ongoing for about 5 years and I've got almost nothing to show anyone because nothing really good has happened to give me the ideas I need.

This is why I said your fruitless effort MIGHT be indicating a lack of connection. I wasn't trying to be an asshole.

Is there another adjective you prefer? I could use more rhetorical words like useless, or pointless, or a waste of time, or "a failure to deliver" in work-speak.

I didn't, because fruitless is a relatively benign word to me. I meant no disrespect, but you are welcome to keep it. 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Archmonoth

[Solarflaretracker200]

20 hours ago, Christopher S. said:

To be fair, it would be hilarious if the arcjet actually caused the quake because it never has before

That would be the weirdest thing 😂