Bad anxiety about the sun

[Mckinnon]

Hey guys. The sunspot that is there now the big one. Is that normal and it wont cause any harm. I know you guys get this alot and im sure it annoys the crap out of yas but if you could just explain if it is not harmful or if it is that would be great. For some reason i always had crippling anxiety about the sun. I have no idea why or what causes it so again thanks alot guys youve been great so far 

[CalleB]

Theres no need for panic.

 

the magnetic field of the earth is still up. Thats our shield, and has-  and will be. Kick back, and enjoy the show.

 

worst case due to massive (crazy mega one-in-100-years-massive) eruption is loss of digital world, electric/power issues/navigation and so on. To our bodies no harm is done.

[SunManGoo]

I am in a similar situation. I understand the protection but what about protons? SPE - Solar Particle Event - those can hit earth in less than 3 minutes and if intense enough, you wont survive unless you are under 3 feet of concrete or 3 feet of gravel or earth? I've heard some people saying this may be happening soon so i'm nervous. Is there a way to predict a proton storm or SPE?

They say a solar particle event is evident when looking at the Cariaco Basin/Greenland Ice Record around 12,000 years ago and may be responsible for mass extinctions

"The hypothesis is presented that an abrupt rise in atmospheric radiocarbon concentration evident in the Cariaco Basin varve record at 12,837 ± 10 cal yr BP, contemporaneous with the Rancholabrean termination, may have been produced by a super-sized solar proton event (SPE) having a fluence of ~1.3 x 1011 protons/cm2. A SPE of this magnitude would have been large enough to deliver a lethal radiation dose of at least 3-6 Sv to the Earth?s surface, and hence could have been a principal cause of the final termination of the Pleistocene megafauna and several genera of smaller mammals and birds. The event time-correlates with a large-magnitude acidity spike found at 1708.65 m in the GISP2 Greenland ice record"

[Vancanneyt Sander]

Solar proton events can only happen with very strong flares or very long duration solar flare events above C level. The sunspot region responsible must be center disk or leaving the visible solar disk. The minimal time these particles arrive at earth is 8 minutes, as they can travel up to the speed of light. None of the regions visible now pose a threat for these events now. We have had many SPE and I haven’t felt a single one of them. Check the top 50 solar flare list to go to that day in the archive and view some of those Solar proton events. 

[Christopher S.]

On 11/27/2020 at 11:25 AM, SunManGoo said:

Solar Particle Event - those can hit earth in less than 3 minutes

Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, mate. If you really believe the stuff you read on the internet that violates very obvious fundamentals of physics, then there's no hope for you.

[MytiMouse]

Hi

After reading SunMan Goo's remark about being under concrete,  Does anyone think this may be the reason There is "The Obama House"  somewhere in the mid eastern u.s.  It is underground with thick concrete walls.  Military knows about it.   Someone knows what is really going to happen.  Of course.

I too am concerned about the solar flares.  I notice that when out and about around the days of the larger ones.  my blood pressure goes up, ears ring, i get dehydrated easily.  Even my eyes gt dry.  I also notice dead bees, less birds, especially humming birds near these days.  I started noticing these things around last november and have been monitoring them ever since.  

Does anyone think there is a relation to these signs and symptoms?

I do.

Sincerely

MM

 

 

 

[Vancanneyt Sander]

Solar activity is very low to low currently so what you are seeing is not related to space weather effects.

[SunManGoo]

11 hours ago, Christopher S. said:

Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, mate. If you really believe the stuff you read on the internet that violates very obvious fundamentals of physics, then there's no hope for you.

Help me to understand then please. It takes 499 seconds for light to travel from the sun to earth = 8.3 minutes. If the protons can be accelerated to almost the speed of light lets say 90%, your message if you had someone sitting on the sun can't travel faster than the speed of light either. Even if you had a satellite half way between the earth and the sun, it is entirely possible you would only have a few minutes 'notice'? If we didn't have monitoring, we would see the light flash and then almost instantly after the protons hit if travelling 10% slower of 499 seconds 49 seconds later. I understand nothing goes faster than the speed of light, including your warning message reaching the stations on earth no? Help me to understand..

 

 

On 11/27/2020 at 1:32 PM, Vancanneyt Sander said:

Solar proton events can only happen with very strong flares or very long duration solar flare events above C level. The sunspot region responsible must be center disk or leaving the visible solar disk. The minimal time these particles arrive at earth is 8 minutes, as they can travel up to the speed of light. None of the regions visible now pose a threat for these events now. We have had many SPE and I haven’t felt a single one of them. Check the top 50 solar flare list to go to that day in the archive and view some of those Solar proton events. 

Thank you for the reply. I apologize for my questions. Learning every day, appreciate your insight. What do you mean by center disk? Is that when facing earth near midline?

4 hours ago, MytiMouse said:

Hi

After reading SunMan Goo's remark about being under concrete,  Does anyone think this may be the reason There is "The Obama House"  somewhere in the mid eastern u.s.  It is underground with thick concrete walls.  Military knows about it.   Someone knows what is really going to happen.  Of course.

I too am concerned about the solar flares.  I notice that when out and about around the days of the larger ones.  my blood pressure goes up, ears ring, i get dehydrated easily.  Even my eyes gt dry.  I also notice dead bees, less birds, especially humming birds near these days.  I started noticing these things around last november and have been monitoring them ever since.  

Does anyone think there is a relation to these signs and symptoms?

I do.

Sincerely

MM

 

 

 

There has been quite a bit of chatter on 'dark' channels at certain Govt depts in the US. I know that sounds crazy because it is. One member joked yesterday and asked if he should put onions in his pocket - his supervisor told him to eat them? Then another colleague commented that he forsees his neighbors digging holes in their front lawns, and he is going to miss them all because they have nothing to cover them.. Just weird stuff. I looked up the onions comment I guess onions used to block radiation, he said to eat them because protons go right through you? The lawn comment was if/when one happens people will rush to dig holes under 3 feet of dirt but have no way to cover with 3 feet of dirt or concrete I guess. 

[Vancanneyt Sander]

15 minuten geleden, SunManGoo zei:

Thank you for the reply. I apologize for my questions. Learning every day, appreciate your insight. What do you mean by center disk? Is that when facing earth near midline?

That’s the moment a complex sunspot regions has moved to a central position on the visible solar disk. Starting from there, when a very strong and long duration flare occurs, a solar proton event can get initiated that arrive at Earth at minimum 8minutes and can last up to three days or longer if there are more solar flares. The Earth is protected against this and has only effect on satellites and the ISS. If a CME was associated, depending on the speed it takes up to three days to arrive and haz the potential to produce geomagnetic storming, the earths magnetosphere protects us.

[SunManGoo]

2 minutes ago, Vancanneyt Sander said:

That’s the moment a complex sunspot regions has moved to a central position on the visible solar disk. Starting from there, when a very strong and long duration flare occurs, a solar proton event can get initiated. The Earth is protected against this and has only effect on satellites and the ISS. 

Thank you very much for explaining. I will see if I can find the documentation on the event that I am concerned about occurring and maybe you could give some more insight, I understand it's mostly vague doom and gloom clickbait but curious for your opinion. I'll dig it up.

13 minutes ago, SunManGoo said:

Thank you very much for explaining. I will see if I can find the documentation on the event that I am concerned about occurring and maybe you could give some more insight, I understand it's mostly vague doom and gloom clickbait but curious for your opinion. I'll dig it up.

I'm not sure this is going to help the OP's anxiety but here goes, this is what I was concerned about and some people were sort of 'hinting at', so made me start looking into this hobby. They mentioned expecting to watch their neighbours struggle to dig dirt holes 3 feet deep and have nothing to cover them, and instead of putting onions in their pockets 'eating them' (solar protons being the hint as they pass through your body and cause the biological damage not like typical )

'Solar proton flares are fairly uncommon - the last ones that were severe on earth occurred around 12,900 years ago - extinction that wiped out most megafauna, mastadons, mammoths, and giant sloths from North American, Northern Europe, and Northern. The threat is from a solar flare that would send intense proton radiation that breaks through the earths magnetosphere (isn't this weakening?) Most of the radiation in this event would come straight down and have not only protons but secondary radiation from neutrons and gamma radiation - both of which can penetrate several feet of shielding with up to 3-10 sieverts of radiation ( 3 usually fatal ) Not the type of radiation produced from nuclear war, which would include fallout. May be little or no warning as such a warning may be issued only about an hour in advance. Flares can be seen in time to alert astronauts of a proton storm but does not seem that the emergency warning system is prepared for this kind of event for an ENTIRE nation. If it came in the middle of the night, most people would probably die very quickly afterwards. Most modern homes do not provide enough shelter. You need to get under at least 3 feet of concrete, stone, or soil. Basement of a 3 story concrete apartment may work, a concrete drain pipe or bridge may work. What do you think?

 

[Vancanneyt Sander]

Again, solar radiation storms, or solar proton storms, happen many times per solar cycle. most of SEP events is available at: https://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/SEP/ these events don’t have a particular impact on groundlevel, only in the atmosphere like a slight temperature rise in the thermosphere. (See also: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2018JA025294).
No need to take shelter or get some onions. Just bake a good burger with some onions for a nice dinner.

also worth a read: https://www.swsc-journal.org/articles/swsc/full_html/2014/01/swsc130038/swsc130038.html about the impact of SPE on satellites, and on humans at the ISS and EVA’s

[SunManGoo]

2 hours ago, Vancanneyt Sander said:

Again, solar radiation storms, or solar proton storms, happen many times per solar cycle. most of SEP events is available at: https://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/SEP/ these events don’t have a particular impact on groundlevel, only in the atmosphere like a slight temperature rise in the thermosphere. (See also: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2018JA025294).
No need to take shelter or get some onions. Just bake a good burger with some onions for a nice dinner.

also worth a read: https://www.swsc-journal.org/articles/swsc/full_html/2014/01/swsc130038/swsc130038.html about the impact of SPE on satellites, and on humans at the ISS and EVA’s

Thanks for the info, great read. I will cook the onions thank you! Here's another good read about the carbon14 and extinction event from 774CE, they estimate once every thousand years.. been a while.

A previous group of researchers suggested that to cause the observed eighth century carbon-14 increase, a solar proton event would have had to be thousands of times larger than any that has been observed from the Sun. However, Thomas et al. believe that group's calculations were incorrect. They modeled the atmospheric and biologic effects of three solar proton events with different energy spectra and fluences (number of protons per area). They find that an event with about 7 or more times greater fluence (depending on the spectrum) than an observed October 1989 solar flare event could explain the 774-775 CE carbon-14 enhancement. With a hard (high-energy) spectrum, an event with this fluence would result in moderately damaging effects on life but would not cause a mass extinction. They rule out an event with a softer spectrum because such an event would cause severe ozone depletion and mass extinction, which were not observed in the eighth century.

The authors estimate that solar proton events of this magnitude occur on average once in a thousand years

[Vancanneyt Sander]

Humans are walking on the Earth for about 200.000 years and still we’re walking around. So the theory doesn’t hold that it would happen every thousand years, we survived 200 of those now 🤷‍♂️

[Drax Spacex]

Look on the bright side - only one man and one woman need to survive in order to perpetuate the human race - and eventually, after a few millennia, reestablish a global human population.

[Christopher S.]

3 hours ago, Drax Spacex said:

Look on the bright side - only one man and one woman need to survive in order to perpetuate the human race - and eventually, after a few millennia, reestablish a global human population.

Uh, well, https://phys.org/news/2018-03-populations-pair.html#:~:text=This means that%2C in a,at least 500 effective individuals.

Besides, it's an electromagnetic event. Just have food, water, batteries, etc. - your basic survival kit - ready for a week or two in case there's a power outage(or really any sort of emergency outside of what a flare/CME might cause).

13 hours ago, SunManGoo said:

Help me to understand then please. It takes 499 seconds for light to travel from the sun to earth = 8.3 minutes. If the protons can be accelerated to almost the speed of light lets say 90%, your message if you had someone sitting on the sun can't travel faster than the speed of light either. Even if you had a satellite half way between the earth and the sun, it is entirely possible you would only have a few minutes 'notice'? If we didn't have monitoring, we would see the light flash and then almost instantly after the protons hit if travelling 10% slower of 499 seconds 49 seconds later. I understand nothing goes faster than the speed of light, including your warning message reaching the stations on earth no? Help me to understand..

You said 3 minutes, and you're now saying 8 having been corrected. Like we've been saying, SPE impacts and devastation is greatly exaggerated for fear-invoking effect.

Refer back to this comment:

On 11/27/2020 at 11:32 AM, Vancanneyt Sander said:

We have had many SPE and I haven’t felt a single one of them.

Stop watching conspiracy videos.

[CalleB]

Btw, anxiety threatment is mostly centered around presence and acceptance, and to not worry about things that hasn’t happened yet, and probably won’t. 
 

[SunManGoo]

Thank you

Edited November 30, 2020 by SunManGoo

[Jacob_CX_Cooper]

Hi, I was also deeply concerned about solar activity, and constantly emerging sunspots made me feel worried. It pushed me to start exploring solar activity research and learning more about Sun's influence on Earth. I understand you and your feelings and can reassure you that all your worries and doubts make no sense😌. One sunspot can harm neither our planet nor us. However, these sunspots usually come with such phenomena: magnetic reconnection, coronal loop, and prominence. A too high amount of sunspots can cause magnetic reconnection and transform into a solar flare. In particular, this phenomenon can cause changes in Earth's magnetic field and obstruct the operation of satellites and even objects on Earth. For the rest, these sunspots are safe.